Hi Brad,
Wow! I didn't see that in the post about Jesus being a substitute,
but I do believe you.
I'm sorry about that, I guess I should have red it more carefully
before sending it.
Jesus is not a substitute for our sins, and He is Allmighty and All
things good and I didn't realize it was unBiblical. Sorry about that.
We are responsible for our own actions, not Jesus. I'm sorry I sent it. <smile>
Thanks for calling it to my attention. <smile>
Blessings,
Pat Ferguson
At 04:41 PM 2/11/2006, you wrote:
>Pat,
>
>Romans 8:28 is one of my fav scriptures. You know though as I read this
>the word "propitiation" with its meaning of substitute and responsibility
>hit me like a ton of bricks as I visualized something that to me
>seems horrible to me. As your post said that Jesus was the substitute
>taking our responsibility for our sins, and I know, well, at least I think
>I know this wouldn't happen, but it sure puts things in perspective if you
>think on it. Imagine we as sinners are doomed to death, eternity without
>God. But in come Christ who takes our place. We think of that as very
>noble, very sacrificial and all and yet we picture Christ seated at the
>right hand of the Father and etc. And this has no Biblical merit that I'm
>aware of but by rights without grace I suppose it would be in order.
>Imagine if when we die, stand before God, you know at the rapture, and
>God reaches over to His right and tosses Jesus to eternal separation.
>Imagine after all he did for us and it was our sin that he took final
>responsibility for that did that? Granted that isn't going to happen, but
>that I believe is what happened when he died for us. I don't think we will
>know the full significance of the sacrifice until we meet up with God in
>the end.
>
>Brad
>
>at
>
>At 03:41 PM 2/11/2006 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hi Loving Ones,
> >
> >
> >Know that you are all precious and sweet, and made out of love, full
> >of love, and so very loving! That is how God looks at us and that is
> >how I see my loving ones, all of you.
> >
> >I really love this. This is how we should look at Valentine's Day.
> >
> >Please read below.
> >
> >Love you,
> >Pat Ferguson
> >
> >
> > >>Thoughts about Valentine's Day
> > >>
> > >>February 14th is Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day is a day
> > >>whenever people recognize those they love. It's a day for
> > >>examining the wonderful benefits of loving someone. What benefits
> > >>are there when a person chooses to love God.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>1) (Rom 8:28) And we know that all things work together for
> > >>good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to
> > >>his purpose.
> > >>
> > >>a) Reward. If a person chooses to love God there is a great
> > >>reward. The reward is not that all things will be good but that
> > >>all things, good and bad, put together will come out for good in the end.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>2) (1Co 8:3) But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
> > >>
> > >>a) Recognition. The Bible says that if any person will choose
> > >>to love God that that person will be known by God. The Word known
> > >>in the Bible is a special Word. It implies not just knowledge
> > >>about a person but intimacy with that person. If we will choose to
> > >>love God God wants to know us and wants us to have an intimate
> > >>relationship with him and He with us
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>3) (1Jo 4:10) Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that
> > >>he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
> > >>
> > >>a) Realizations. There are realizations to those that love
> > >>God. First, that God is pretty easy to love. Secondly, that we
> > >>are pretty hard to love. Thirdly that even when we have done so
> > >>many things wrong that God would send his only son to die for
> > >>us. John uses the word propitiation here. Fancy word right! That
> > >>word means two things ; substitute and taking the responsibility
> > >>for. Jesus became our substitute. He died in our place. Not only
> > >>that but he took the responsibility and punishment for our sins so
> > >>that when we stand in front of God it is as if we have done no
> > >>wrong. Jesus was the propitiation. God's anger with us over our
> > >>sin was satisfied in what Jesus did. When we realize this we can
> > >>stand before God "just-as-if-I'd" (justified) never done anything
> > >>wrong, it is a wonderful realizations and proof that God loves us.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>4) (1Jo 4:20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his
> > >>brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he
> > >>hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
> > >>
> > >>a) Responsibility. God not only loves you. He loves every
> > >>other person in this world. We have a responsibility to love those
> > >>that he loves. We should love them in tangible ways because
> > >>actions speak louder than words alone.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>5) (1Jo 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of
> > >>God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
> > >>
> > >>a) Reciprocity. Sorry for the fancy word. Reciprocity means
> > >>an equal balance or exchange. If we love God and obey the Word of
> > >>God, we will love the people of God and his church. If we do not, we
> > do not.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Happy Valentine's Day and know this day that of all the people that
> > >>love you, God loves you most.
>
>Brad
>
> Inside an acorn lies an entire forest
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