You mean the maker of the universe all mighty God needs assistance to do his work.  Wow he can create a universe all kinds of creatures and things but he needs help with hearing prayer.  Huuummm>  I guess I am mis understanding the word so if I am could others please help because I don't want to mislead anyone and  grieve God. But this is what it says.
1 John 5:6-13
6. This is He who came by water and blood-JesusChrist, not only by water byt by water and blood.  And it is the Spirit who bears witness because the Spirit is truth
7.  For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father. the Word, and the Holy Spirit and these three are one.
8. And  there are three that bear  witnees on earth, the spirit, the water, and the blood: and these three agree as one.
9.  If we receive the witness of menthe witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he has testified of His Son
10.  He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself, he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son
11,  And this is the testimony:  that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in Hos Son 12. He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
12.  He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13.  These things I have wiritten to you who believe in the name of the Son of God , that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may to believe in the name of the Son.
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Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
Karen Carter '74



> No the cloud of witnesses are the Saints who have died and gone before us.
> This is why they are referred to as the cloud of witnesses.  Further, Samuel
> was called up by the witch of Andorra and asked why this was because of two
> reasons.  Firstly Jesus hadn't come yet and he was not in heaven yet.  He
> wouldn't be till Jesus came to free him through his death.  Secondly, Saul
> called him up because of his selfishness not for a Godly reason, and Samuel
> probably didn't feel the need to assist him.  As far as Divvies is
> concerned.  The saints don't witness to people the assist with support and
> intersession as do all of us who are on earth.  If we can ask any on this
> list whom we don't know to pray for us why can't we ask our dear Christian
> mother or father who has already gone to be with the lord.  Just because
> people go to be with god doesn't mean they forget their loved ones whom they
> would have probably died for on earth.  Also, the Christians such as Saints
> peter and Paul who were martyred for their faith.  Do you think they no
> longer care for us at least as a Christian community, particularly as they
> died for their faith and spent the later part of their lives spreading the
> gospel?  Also, as I said in my last post on the subject there was Elijah and
> mosses who appeared with our lord on the mount of transfiguration.  They
> came to him to support him because he was to face an enormous trial and he
> needed the strength they could give him because he was a man as well as
> being divine.  They spoke to him privately and he didn't faulter when he
> went to the cross.  Heaven isn't just a place which becomes alive for us
> when we die.  It is full of activity here and now.  What about the
> admonition to watch the way we entertain because we may be entertaining
> angels unaware.  I will end this too long e-mail now but I just wanted to
> mention those few things.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > Well the word says that all things of this earth are remembered not more.
> > I was thinking the cloud of witnesses were the people whe have lived a
> righteous life before us.  Like oour christian perents set an example would
> be part of the cloud of witnesses. And the surrounding verses tell us to be
> around other christians the part of the cloud of witneeses.
> > And in 1John 5:6-13.
> > When the one man called u[ Samual he was unhappy and asked Why did you
> call me up let me rest.
> > Jesus did not die.  His body did but it was resorrected and he lives.
> > And why did the man who died and went to hell have to ask Lazareth to give
> him a drink and ask him to witness to his family if he could hear them why
> doesn't he witness and Lazareth told him you did not believe while you were
> alive wo why should they believe a dead man
> > What kind of Heaven would it be if the saints had to know all the trouble
> on earth.  I am sure they are to busy worshiping the Lord tow worry about
> our troubles
> >
> > --
> > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > Karen Carter '74
> >
> >
> >
> > > How do you know the saints can't hear our prayers?  St. Paul said we are
> > > surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.  Elijah and Moses appeared with our
> lord
> > > on the mount of transfiguration, and that abominable seance the witch of
> > > andora performed with saul to call up Samuel was an example of the dead
> > > hearing us when we speak.  When we are absent from the body we are
> present
> > > with the lord.  If Jesus and God hear our prayers what causes you to
> think
> > > the saints can not.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well being prostatant or Carholic really has nothing to do with a
> blessed
> > > wedding.  It is our relationship with Jesus and performing the cremony
> to
> > > unite one another in Christ is for witniessing to man that you are
> committed
> > > to one another in Christ.  Christ knows what is in the heart wether we
> are
> > > prostant or catholic.  I was catholic at one time and Ijust thought
> there
> > > was too much repatitous ceremonial pratctice and no personal
> relationship
> > > with Jesus.  I can pray right to God and not through the preist. or
> saints
> > > that can't hear our prayers.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > > > Karen Carter '74
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ms. Carter What does this mean?
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am proud to be a protetant not cremonal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > > > > > Karen Carter '74
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gosh this is strange.  It is this kind of talk which makes me
> glad I
> > > am
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > a protestant if those are the sort of things you practice.  I
> think
> > > a
> > > > > > > wedding conducted in such a fashion would be surely desecrating
> a
> > > > > blessed
> > > > > > > and holy sacrament.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:54 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you're not serious.  *smile*
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:48 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Speaking of doable, Jennifer, I can conduct a wedding right
> over
> > > the
> > > > > > > phone
> > > > > > > > > for you and it won't cost you guys a thing.  We can even do
> a
> > > three
> > > > > way
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > we can have witnesses.
> > > > > > > > >