Thought you might like to read Pugliese's response to my last email, which I thought was going out to the Chomsky group:



   No, I'm a fascist apologist! Fuck you, pal!
Michael Pugliese

----- Original Message -----
From: "harry kershner" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "Michael Pugliese" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Re: Re: IMHO, You Both Are Wrong (Chris & N&L)


> The holocaust could not have occurred without the Treaty of Versailles and
acts of imperialism which threw the Germans into the hands of the Nazis.
There are fascists (and fascist apologists like Pugliese) everywhere, but
they cannot easily recruit membership except under harsh economic and social
conditions. This is so obvious that even a third-rate mind like Pugliese's
can grasp it, so when he denies its relevance we can see the malevolent
ideological constructs which underlie that denial.
>
>  No one I know, and certainly not Chomsky, is eulogizing Islamic
fundamentalism. In addition to finding and bringing to justice the
perpetrators of this crime against humanity, we must examine the foreign and
investment policies of the US that cause the ease of recruitment in the Arab
and Muslim world. Failing this, no military or police actions will protect
us in the future.
> --
>
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 12:01:14
>  Michael Pugliese wrote:
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Harald Beyer-Arnesen" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 2:49 AM
> >Subject: AUT: Re: Re: Re: IMHO, You Both Are Wrong (Chris & N&L)
> >
> >
> >> Chris, that Islamism in several aspects is more reactionary than
> >> U.S. imperialism, as much as it is, in part but only in part, a
> >> product of it, is just to state the obvious. What needs to be explained
> >> is why some many leftist are willing to deny what stares them in
> >> the eye. Is it ignorance or something more irrational.
> >>
> >> The urge to explain _everything_ out from U.S. foreign policy
> >> becomes pretty "mindless" and religious.
> >>
> >> Islamism, fascist to its core, is also very much an expression of a
high
> >> degree of irrationality: a poisoneous combine of the worst of an
Islamic
> >> past and modern capitalist alienation, as well as imperialist project
in
> >> itself.
> >>
> >> The failure to come up with a political critique of Islam as such, and
> >> silence such critique from revolutionaries from regions where this
still
> >> is life and death question, only to put forth a gallery of Imams as the
> >> true voices of the working classes in this parts, speaks loud. It is a
> >> celebration of silence confronted by anything we might find difficult
> >> uncomfortable to address.
> >>     I am only awaiting an proclamation declaring that the present Pope,
> >> as all the previous,  always were  true revolutionaries.
> >>
> >> One of the greatest failures of the post World War II "left" is the
lack
> >> of any real effort to address Rwanda. France was all to blame, were
> >> they? No other understanding is needed, even if the French were
> >> not the ones who actually carried out the genocide. It is like saying
> >> that the Holocaust can all be explained by British imperialism and
> >> the VersailleTreaty.
> >>
> >> The world cannot be reduced to the United States of America.
> >>
> >> Harald




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