Ken,
Right now I wish I'd built more credibility as a Libertarian; in
Wyoming, many undecided voters place themselves in that group. Because
of perceived Constitutional abuses by the present administration, many
may vote Democratic in light of a perception that the Republicans have
sold out the Constitution.
In the United States of America, the Bill of Rights is the term for the
first ten amendments
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_amendment> to the United
States Constitution
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution> . These
amendments explicitly limit the Federal government's powers, protecting
the rights <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right> of the people by
preventing Congress
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress> from abridging
freedom of speech <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech> ,
freedom of the press <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press>
, freedom of assembly <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly>
, freedom of religious worship
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience> , and the right to
bear arms <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_bear_arms> , preventing
unreasonable search and seizure
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure> , cruel and unusual
punishment <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment> ,
and self-incrimination
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Const
itution> , and guaranteeing due process
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process> of law and a speedy public
trial with an impartial jury <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_trial> .
These rights apply to citizens and non-citizens alike. In addition, the
Bill of Rights states that "the enumeration in the Constitution, of
certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others
retained by the people,"[1]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#_note-0#_note
-0> and reserves all powers not granted to the Federal government to
the citizenry or States. These amendments came into effect on December
15 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_15> , 1791
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1791> , when ratified by three-fourths of
the States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
The Fifth Amendment states:
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
without just compensation."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment05/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Consti
tution
This is an interesting article on the subject by Kate Martin at York
University.
http://www.yorku.ca/crs/Refuge/Abstracts%20and%20Articles/Vol%2020%20No%
204/martin.pdf
As far back as 1953, in KWONG HAI CHEW v. COLDING, 344 U.S. 590 (1953),
the US Supreme Court held that Constitutional protections, particularly
the Fifth Amendment, apply to resident aliens.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?friend=nytimes&navby=ca
se&court=US&vol=344&invol=590
The links may break, so I encourage you to cut and paste as needed to
reach them.
Kendall
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
this may all be true, but, they did not have
constitutional rights as POWS. this is just testifying
to the fact that the American government treated them
good.
hey guys does the words "Achille Lauro" and the name
"Leon Klinghoffer" ring a bell? this American PWD was
on this cruise ship and terroris shot him in his
wheelcchair and threw him overboard. i bring this up
to tell you all that that bunch of peace loving
individuals held at Gitmo would saw any of your heads
off and put a vidio of it on the internet if they
could and it met their purposes. And you want to
confer constitutional rights on them. is there any
anity on the left?
there has been three elections in iraq with better
turnout that happens here and a government has been
formed. to say there is no progress is to conveniantly
forget some of the facts. it is slow, but would not
have been as slow had the left not let their absolute
hatred for bush caused by him winning the election in
2000 get to the point that it overwhelmed caring what
happened to our country. the lack of a simulance of
untity has certainly encourged the terrorist.
the uptick in violence right now is nothing more
than "early voting" by the terrorist. and they are
voting for a change in the U.S. government. it is
AL-Quita's part in the election campagn. these people
may be barbaric, but they are not stupid and they pick
up CNN as well as we do. they actually repeat the
talking points in their tapes. they hear our "leaders"
comparing our troops to nazis, and our pow camps as
gulogs, and all the other stuff spewed out by merth,
kennedy, durban, clinton, et al. it does not help the
troops.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken
> I've read a few books on German POW's in America and
> in Utah they let them out of camp to work in hospitals or on farms
> and these were SS.
> They made many friends in Utah who later helped them
> come to the US. During this time our government gave history lessons
> to these POW's to help them learn about democracy. In Utah the
> citizens welcomed them and no wonder it's the reddest state of all.
> The German SS influenced public policy in Utah as many citizens
> got their blood type tattooed under their left arm the same as the
> SS had done. Lots of all together strange things happened.
>
> At 10:23 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
> >not to forget all the history you left out abe
> Lincoln suspending it for the whole time of the southern
> war for independance.
> >
> >now, can you name an instance in which bush has
> >suspended it for an american citizen? i dare say
> your ansering email on this question will be rather
> short.
> >you may decorate it with many other things but the
> >answer to this question will be short.
> >
> >and since we are having history lessons, heres some
> >more, at no time in our history has POW'S (and i do
> >not even know if these qualify as POW'S) had
> >constitutional rights. not a one of the 400,000
> german prisoners in the u.s. had hebius corpus, hell, no
> >tiime in history have they had the rights that this
> >group have been afforded.
> >
> >america valuing all people or not has not a thing
> to
> >do with the war on terror, but, i'll dare say this,
> >all of us with disabilities are better off in
> america
> >that we would be in any middle eastern country
> except
> >Isreal, and better off than we'd be in most of the
> >world. maybe a few places in europe could be
> better,
> >maybe not.
> >how'd you like to be a PWD in Iran? Hey Rayna, tell
> >mike how good you got it in PERTH. I'LL TAKE IT
> HERE
> >IN AMERICA. Thank you.
> >
> >
> >--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >
> > > Tell that to the German American of WW I, or the
> > > Japanese American of WW II. I'm not talking
> about
> > > foreign terrorists, I'm talking about American
> > > Citizens whose only fault is they were descended
> > > from arabian people. Don't say it can't happen.
> > > Just like don't say Amerrica values all people.
> If
> > > it did, I would have a job now. instead of
> > > subsisting on SS. I'm pretty well fed up with
> the
> > > conservative mantra, and liberal malarky both...
> I
> > > say if you are ooncerned for me before I am
> born, be
> > > as concerned for me after. Thanks to
> conservatives,
> > > Medicare is making it impossible for people like
> me
> > > to get meaningful mobility products which
> enhances
> > > life. I know the constitution preamble, and I
> know
> > > what the founding fathers meant when they wrote
> it.
> > > That's why they needed the amendment to give
> blacks
> > > and womem the right to vote. Both were highly
> > > progressive causes in their day. Tell me one
> thing,
> > > Ken. Can you tell me any really good and
> lasting
> > > thing Conservatives have done in!
> > > this country? I don't mean along party
> lines...
> > >
> > > ---- Original message ----
> > > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:40:55 -0700
> > > >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
> > > quickly
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > And oh, btw,
> > > >> Habeus Corpus is now a thing of the past.
> We'll
> > > all
> > > >> need to mind our P's and Q's now!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >do you support giving constitutional rights to
> > > >non-citizen terrorist mike? did you ever even
> learn
> > > >the preamble. it starts out "We the people of
> the
> > > >UNITED STATES..." Do you think the mastermind
> of
> > > the
> > > >9-11 attack deserves to have constitutional
> rights
> > > >confered on him?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >habeou corpus is a constitutional right to U.S.
> > > >Citizens.
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