OK, you should only get one copy of each post in your inbox. Let me
know if you still get double posts.
Kat
On Mar 16, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Tamar Raine wrote:
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kathy Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 5:15:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
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> Mag, you are subscribed under two addresses - which one do you want
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> On Mar 16, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Tamar Raine wrote:
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>> Der, or Kat, or Ken, I am receiving each message twice! Will you
>> please fix this? Thankyou!
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Kendall D. Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:02:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
>>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I think you hit the nail on the head when you said "A Christian has
>> to live
>> his whole life as a Christian." There are too many people with
>> political
>> power who portray themselves as Christian who "play the Christ
>> card" when
>> it's convenient, but don't actually live there lives according to
>> the tenets
>> of Christianity.
>>
>> I don't think the US was ever a "Christian Nation," but I think
>> Christianity
>> has had as large (if not the largest) an influence on most of our
>> political
>> leaders as any other religious/philosophical/spiritual schema. If
>> these
>> people truly lived their faith, there might be less discord. On
>> the other
>> hand, maybe there'd be more.
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/07, ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> yes, mike. i agree. we do better at challenging the
>>> nation when we are not dominating. you know it is a
>>> problem in that we are responsible to participate as
>>> conscience dictates, but, not to try to dominate. i do
>>> not know the answer to that problem.
>>>
>>> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll say it again, Christianity was never meant to
>>>> be a national faith.
>>>> Because it is, though, we have such instances as
>>>> pagan reaming pagan, and
>>>> Christian reaming Christian. The sad fact is that
>>>> when Christianity becomes
>>>> the national faith, it tends to dominate; once it
>>>> dominates, it loses its
>>>> self, its mission, and its ability to challenge the
>>>> status quo.
>>>>
>>>> It is this inability to challenge the real status
>>>> quo that I find so
>>>> disquieting if not disgusting among some
>>>> conservative Christians today. It
>>>> is so easy to compartmentalize one's life, to say
>>>> this, this, and this I'll
>>>> let Christianity touch, but not this attitude or
>>>> idea. The movie "Breach"
>>>> is an example of this. We then have examples like
>>>> Wilburforce in "Amazing
>>>> Grace" who didn't compartmentalize their attitudes,
>>>> but rather let
>>>> Christianity challenge all of them.
>>>>
>>>> I could go on and on about this. I should know, I
>>>> was a conservative until
>>>> about 10 years ago, when I saw what the conservative
>>>> movement was doing to
>>>> itself. I know consider myself a Christian
>>>> independent; with the emphasis on
>>>> Christian, not political party.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>>> Trisha Cummings
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:24 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
>>>>
>>>> You know Ken,
>>>>
>>>> The probelm is not that the US isn't a Christian
>>>> Nation - it is ask =
>>>> any non-Christian - they are a better judge of the
>>>> Christianness than =
>>>> any Christain - its that it never your kind of
>>>> Christian . And you can =
>>>> debate that into obliven - since the Council of
>>>> Nicae in 325 AD never =
>>>> have Christian come up a universal view - hence the
>>>> 1500 differents =
>>>> versions of Christianity. Several good links about
>>>> the Council of Nicea =
>>>> are
>>>> http://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine-Bible.html
>>>> and =
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
>>>> also =
>>>> http://www.probe.org/content/view/790/91/ These
>>>> are good educational =
>>>> links - I got over my frothing at the mouth about
>>>> Christianity about the =
>>>> time I realzed the probelem is not the philosophy
>>>> but but the people. I =
>>>> just got reamed out for letting Amber read the Bible
>>>> as a child by a =
>>>> Fundementalist Pagan - I spend much time now -
>>>> trying for peace and a =
>>>> live and let live idea. So there you have it - a
>>>> Pagan defending your =
>>>> right to your beliefs - Frankly I would ban religion
>>>> but then people =
>>>> would just fight over something else. Poor God - his
>>>> heart must hurt =
>>>> that his children act so silly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trisha=20
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
>>>> Of ken barber
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:12 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you know i am not going to cuss you out mike. your
>>>> opinion is as good as anyone else. but, i must tell
>>>> you i do not view america as a christian nation. i
>>>> view it as a post christian nation. you are right
>>>> about it not being christian. i think you are wrong
>>>> when you say it never was. i think at one time it
>>>> was.
>>>> there are lots of things in our national government
>>>> that is not christian.=20
>>>> Jesus said his kingdom was not earthly and so it is
>>>> not, but, the prophets do say that there will one
>>>> day
>>>> be an earthly kingdom and predicts Jesus to rule
>>>> with
>>>> a "rod of iron." that tells me he is not ging to put
>>>> up with much oposition.=20
>>>>
>>>> to the non-christians on the list i appologize. if
>>>> you'd like, i can discuss theology with mike off
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This one is rhetorical and I don't expect anyone
>>>> to
>>>>> answer... Since we say
>>>>> the U.S. is a CHRISTIAN nation, our leader then
>>>>> ultimately has to be Jesus,
>>>>> right? What then would Jesus have done in the
>>>> wake
>>>>> of 9/11, as opposed to
>>>>> what actually happened? =20
>>>>> =20
>>>>> My point is this (and Ken, you can cuss me out if
>>>>> you want), our civic
>>>>> religion is basically a mishmash, not
>>>> Christianity.=20
>>>>> Here is how it boils
>>>>> down to me. Take one heaping helping of
>>>>> nationalism; add two scoops of
>>>>> national preservation; add three cloves of self
>>>>> righteousness; sprinkle two
>>>>> or three Bible verses very, very lightly, and
>>>> fold.
>>>>> Add theological sayings,
>>>>> and fold again. Bake in the hot air of political
>>>>> lyrical discourse until
>>>>> well done, and enjoy it while blowing bubbles of
>>>>> happiness.
>>>>> =20
>>>>> I know, I'm cynical, but I get so sick and tired
>>>> of
>>>>> the clich=E9 "America (the
>>>>> U.S.) is a Christian Nation." IT NEVER WAS. It
>>>> was
>>>>> and is a religious
>>>>> nation with Christian undertones, but every nation
>>>>> is shaped by the faith of
>>>>> most of the important citizens. The Christian
>>>> faith
>>>>> was never meant to be
>>>>> the faith of the majority. It is, here, though,
>>>>> and we have to put up with
>>>>> some anti-Christian ideas from "Christian
>>>>> policymakers" in order to live
>>>>> here.
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>> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
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