Trish, Michael Schiavo would not give Terri back to her parents.  They
never quit trying.  The legal thing is the courts gave mike guardianship of
Terri because he was her husband. so, you got that part wrong.

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> [Original Message]
> From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 3/28/2005 7:17:04 AM
> Subject: Re: More Terri Schiavo bullsh*t
>
> hey did i just agree with MAG. hey Mag, i agreed with
> you. okay, a little humor i do occasionally agree with
> the majority on this list, but, don't get accustomed
> to it.
> --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> >   Okay, how did you come to that conclusion? I feel
> > he has been a caring husband, a person who didn't
> > care would have divorced her and or signed her over
> > to the parents. Yet, he spend years accepting his
> > responisibilty to someone who could not repond to
> > him on even the simpliest level. Yet he didn't
> > abandon her. In fact at one point he took her to
> > California for an experimental implant that could
> > simtulate the brain and hopefully wake her up - the
> > time for it to was work was 3 months - he left it
> > there for a year. I think asking people to give up
> > everything and sit at bedside for the rest of their
> > natural when they are young, and have done
> > everything within their power to help is silly. The
> > Indian widows used to throw themselves on their
> > husbands funeral pyre - and that is exactly what you
> > are asking of him. How one feels about this case is
> > a reflection of their own thoughts. People seem to
> > want him to be a martyr so their ideas of what is
> > right is played out - while they live their lives
> > they way they want. And I am, pretty sure most of
> > the people who have quit a while back. He is
> > straddling the fence doing right by his vows, and
> > still have a life. And that upsets people. There is
> > always a different yardstick if it is someone else.
> >
> > Personally, I feel our ability to save lives and our
> > technology has long outstriped our humanity. If a
> > person can not sustain themselves then nature has
> > decreed that they should not live and man has played
> > God and decided they should. Then said its God's
> > will. There is nothing wrong with death,, it is
> > simply the next step in the existance process. And
> > Terri has been kept from progressing and growing - I
> > sincerely hope after they have all passed on that
> > Terri asks her parents why did they keep her from
> > going to Heaven? or having that next life - where
> > perhaps she would have been happy - not had eating
> > problems, had a equally wonderful husband and her
> > own children? Why did force her into Hell? If she is
> > concious - she long ago went mad becasue she has in
> > effect been in solitary confinment. I sincerely hope
> > she has been unconcious- so she didn't have deal
> > with that, and that she dies soon, and is allowed to
> > complete the journey.
> >
> > If the parents had been that gung-ho to care for her
> > - why have they left her in an institution all these
> > years? Why didn't they sacrifice their lives to care
> > for her? Hmmm. She is their child. They did try at
> > the onset for three weeks and it was to hard - can
> > you imagine any of the parents of the CP kids just
> > quiting on their kids becasue its to hard - hell, no
> > they find help and have the child at home, and worry
> > about what happens after they are gone. They don't
> > stick them in a home for someone else to care for.
> > What about all the people who take care of their
> > altsheimers parents, spouses? Michael would have
> > been unable to work and still needed help that he
> > would have had to pay for - and we all know care is
> > astronomically expensive because they have us over a
> > barrel. I have read both sides, not just one. The
> > people who want Terri to continue living have placed
> > their slant on the timeline, and events and judged
> > Micheal. I have read timelines with no emotion or
> > agenda's attached that show what has happened
> > without the forcing one to take sides perferally
> > their.
> >
> > Its the same when you all jumped on the ain't it
> > awful bandwagon on the last rites and communion
> > issue. How many of you knew she had had communion on
> > 3/18? You are so quick to judge and point the
> > finger, and tar and feather people. (not directed
> > you - Ken. All this is just food for thought.
> >
> >                                      Trisha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:28 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: More Terri Schiavo bullsh*t
> >
> >
> > well trisha, you just made the case for those who
> > say
> > that he is not the husband now and that the parents
> > should have gotten gardianship back. things did
> > change.
> > all i can say is that it is a sad case.
> >
> > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > >   Terri, has been this way for 15 years. I think
> > its
> > > saying a lot that he didn't cut her loose and get
> > on
> > > with his life. We all need someone. He can love
> > > Terri, we all love ,ore than just one person. I
> > > would assume since hasn't been a wife to him for
> > 15
> > > years - he loves her more like child or sibling.
> > > Love between people changes with the realtionship
> > > and he hasn't been able to have a relationship
> > with
> > > Terri.
> > >
> > >                       Trisha
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List on
> > > behalf of Mike Collis
> > > Sent: Sun 3/27/2005 5:35 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject:      Re: More Terri Schiavo bullsh*t
> > >
> > > Schiavo has fathered 2 children out of wedlock and
> > > is also living with the
> > > mother of those children, while he is married to
> > > Terri.  Personally, I have
> > > a hard time picturing a loving husband doing that
> > to
> > > his wife, no matter how
> > > bad off she is.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > Tamar Raine
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:58 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: More Terri Schiavo bullsh*t
> > >
> > > not dead yet does not oppose your right to die as
> > > you please. They simply
> > > want to make sure that broad  based euthanasia on
> > > people  with disabilities
> > > does not take place.
> > >
> > > Personally, at this point, I hope Terri passes
> > > quickly. I wrote to the
> > > person that sends out these email alerts on Terri
> > > and I told him, you know,
> > > it's really too late now, let her go in peace. I
> > saw
> > > the A&E piece on her
> > > and her family. My feeling is that Michael Schavo
> > > has done nothing wrong
> > > here. The man has become an ER nurse in order to
> > > learn how to help his wife
> > > the best he could. We will never know whether
> > Terri
> > > Schaivo Could have
> > > improved with therapy, only G-D knows. And, yes,
> > > Kat, I too (and others)
> > > find it ironic that Bush's popularity dropped.  In
> > > any case, I am praying
> > > forr Terri's quick, painless passing.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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