raw duck blood, how appitizing. now is it thialand
where they make a drink with snake blood?
--- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ah well, it's what I do for a living--both for the
> gov't and the Guard.
> This has been simmering and simmering in South East
> Asia since before
> the SARS scare. One case in Vietnam was caused by
> the patient's
> drinking raw duck blood, so the fact that most of us
> in the West don't
> have such intimate contact with poultry is a
> mitigating factor.
>
> There have been several documented cases where H5N1
> has made the
> avian-to-mammal jump. It's been to cats and dogs,
> so this has raised a
> few eyebrows because there's so much interaction
> between the three in
> just about all cultures.
>
> Ken, do you remember the 1976-77 "Swine Flu" scare?
> It started with a
> couple of soldiers at Ft. Dix coming down with flu
> symptoms and then
> blood tests showed that 200+ soldiers had been
> exposed to H1N1. Nobody
> less than 50 years old had any immunity. I was in
> college at Ohio State
> the time and you would have thought the world was
> ending. Kids were
> lined up around the block at St. John Arena (the old
> basketball gym) to
> get shots. Instead of hypodermic needles they used
> the air guns that
> shot the vaccine right through your skin. The air
> guns had been
> supplied by the military, but the nurses had little
> to no training on
> their use. If you didn't hold the gun at a right
> angle, tight against
> the arm, the thing would rip a nasty crescent shaped
> hole in your skin.
> I still have my scar. What a trip that was. LOL!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of ken barber
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: history an affront to science?
>
> you got a pretty good handle on this, much more than
> a
> normal layman. we'd lose millions of people.
>
> --- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Yeah...the documentation supports two-generation
> > infections in SE Asia
> > for Human-Human infection right now. Seven of
> eight
> > family members in
> > one dwelling became infected.
> >
> > Of the 200+ human infections, here are the things
> > that scare me about
> > this (see www.pandemicflu.gov for an overview)
> >
> > 1) Primarily young, healthy people are
> > affected--with a 60% mortality
> > rate.
> > 2) Of the four antivirals that we currently have
> > available, two were
> > totally ineffective in the clinical settings in
> > which they were used,
> > one was suspect. IVIG (Intra-venous
> > Immunogammablobulin) therapy has
> > not been shown to be effective.
> > 3) There are only four known A subtypes of
> influenza
> > viruses (H1N1,
> > H1N2, H3N2, and H7N2) currently circulating among
> > humans. H5N1 is a
> > whole new game--no one has a natural immunity.
> > (It's pretty much common
> > knowledge that a vaccine will take at least 6
> months
> > to produce once the
> > specific genetic subtype has been isolated.)
> > 4) In the US, "Just-In-Time" logistical systems
> will
> > be overwhelmed by
> > surge--particularly those of hospitals and
> > pharmaceutical producers.
> > 5) The only effective means to break the cycle of
> > infection will be
> > quarantine/isolation. This will be almost
> > impossible to control on a
> > volunteer basis.
> > 6) All public works, government, law enforcement,
> > medical facilities,
> > grocery outlets (you name it) will experience up
> to
> > 80% absenteeism
> > through actual infection, caregiving, "worried
> > well".
> >
> > This will be the great equalizer--affecting rich
> and
> > poor to almost the
> > same degree. The "free world's" enemies and
> friends
> > will both be
> > equally affected, superposing even the most
> strident
> > socio-political
> > issues.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of ken barber
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:21 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: history an affront to science?
> >
> > are we talking bird flu as the start of the
> > pandemic?
> > this is a scare that history supports.
> >
> > --- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > Depends on who's doing the modeling: Who's
> writing
> > > the code? Who's
> > > creating the scenarios? Who's interpreting the
> > > extrapolated data?
> > > Who's deciding which data is input into the
> model?
> >
> > > Modeling for
> > > long-term climactic study is still in its
> infancy.
> >
> > > We don't really know
> > > if "it works". How can we? Modeling is based
> on
> > > input of data that has
> > > produced predictable, reliable results over
> time.
> > >
> > > Personally, I would look at the NIH/CDC models
> for
> > > pandemic flu if you
> > > want a good scare. Using the data from the
> 1918,
> > > 1956 and 1968
> > > pandemics, these models are terrifying in that
> > they
> > > predict death rates
> > > up to 20% in some cases. This, in a three-surge
> > > event over a period of
> > > two years. I think this trumps concerns about
> > > climactic change, in my
> > > book, and I believe this is a clear and present
> > > danger that we need to
> > > be marshalling forces for NOW.
> > >
> > > Public Health officials are absolutely terrified
> > of
> > > an influenza
> > > pandemic because they have absolutely no means
> of
> > > realistic prophylaxis
> > > in the general population. All we have for
> > > direction at the moment is
> > > to be vigilant about hand washing and wear an
> N95
> > > mask (dubious
> > > protection for something as small as a virus).
> > >
> > > I would that our Internet pioneer, Mr. Gore, had
> > put
> > > his eggs into this
> > > basket if he needed a "cause celebre". Talk
> about
> > > your Inconvenient
> > > Truths...
> > >
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Kyle C.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > > Of Peter Hunsberger
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 10:01 AM
>
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