a christian has to live their whole life as a
christian. that includes their political life. i can
not judge others as they vote or participate. i am
only responsible for myself. 
  the rest are responsible for theirselves. 
  our republic gives us the right to participate in
government as our conscience dictates. 
  the christian right as it is referred to are
responsible for their participation and so are the
christian left. 
   non-christians are free to participate as their
conscience dictates. it is the same for everyone. i do
not find that to be a problem as long as everybody's
right to participate as they wish is not infrienged. 

--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> You know Ken,
> 
>   The probelm is not that the US isn't a Christian
> Nation - it is ask any non-Christian - they are a
> better judge of the Christianness than any Christain
> - its that it never your kind of Christian . And you
> can debate that into obliven - since the Council of
> Nicae in 325 AD never have Christian come up a
> universal view - hence the 1500 differents versions
> of Christianity. Several good links about the
> Council of Nicea are
> http://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine-Bible.html 
> and 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
> also  http://www.probe.org/content/view/790/91/  
> These are good educational links - I got over my
> frothing at the mouth about Christianity about the
> time I realzed the probelem is not the philosophy
> but but the people. I just got reamed out for
> letting Amber read the Bible as a child by a
> Fundementalist Pagan - I spend much time now -
> trying for peace and a live and let live idea. So
> there you have it - a Pagan defending your right to
> your beliefs - Frankly I would ban religion but then
> people would just fight over something else. Poor
> God - his heart must hurt that his children act so
> silly.
> 
>                                                     
>            Trisha 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
> Of ken barber
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:12 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
> 
> 
> you know i am not going to cuss you out mike. your
> opinion is as good as anyone else. but, i must tell
> you i do not view america as a christian nation. i
> view it as a post christian nation. you are right
> about it not being christian. i think you are wrong
> when you say it never was. i think at one time it
> was.
> there are lots of things in our national government
> that is not christian. 
> Jesus said his kingdom was not earthly and so it is
> not, but, the prophets do say that there will one
> day
> be an earthly kingdom and predicts Jesus to rule
> with
> a "rod of iron." that tells me he is not ging to put
> up with much oposition. 
> 
> to the non-christians on the list i appologize. if
> you'd like, i can discuss theology with mike off
> list.
> 
> 
> --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > This one is rhetorical and I don't expect anyone
> to
> > answer...  Since we say
> > the U.S. is a CHRISTIAN nation, our leader then
> > ultimately has to be Jesus,
> > right?  What then would Jesus have done in the
> wake
> > of 9/11, as opposed to
> > what actually happened?  
> > 
> > My point is this (and Ken, you can cuss me out if
> > you want), our civic
> > religion is basically a mishmash, not
> Christianity. 
> > Here is how it boils
> > down to me.  Take one heaping helping of
> > nationalism; add two scoops of
> > national preservation; add three cloves of self
> > righteousness; sprinkle two
> > or three Bible verses very, very lightly, and
> fold.
> > Add theological sayings,
> > and fold again.  Bake in the hot air of political
> > lyrical discourse until
> > well done, and enjoy it while blowing bubbles of
> > happiness.
> > 
> > I know, I'm cynical, but I get so sick and tired
> of
> > the cliché "America (the
> > U.S.) is a Christian Nation."  IT NEVER WAS.  It
> was
> > and is a religious
> > nation with Christian undertones, but every nation
> > is shaped by the faith of
> > most of the important citizens.  The Christian
> faith
> > was never meant to be
> > the faith of the majority.   It is, here, though,
> > and we have to put up with
> > some anti-Christian ideas from "Christian
> > policymakers" in order to live
> > here.
> > 
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