> 
> yes, it is ironic.
> 
> 
> you know i know i am the list's right wing nut, but
> i
> know that the dems are not totally wrong on every
> thing. 
> 
> i'll admit the war is not going well and not as
> planned. no war goes as planned. if they did there
> would never be a vitorious side. both sides have
> plans, things go wrong and things have to be
> changed.
> right now, i just don't know what plans the dems
> have
> other than get out no matter what.
> 
> i'll even go as far as to say if every body knew
> back
> at the beginning what we know now instead of what
> everyone thought they knew, we might have not even
> had
> theresolution that congress passed for the
> president.
> hindsite is 20-20. but the "bush lied, people died"
> approch is simplistic and disingenuous. 
> 
> as good as the ecconomy is, the minimum wage raise
> promised by the dems would help my son and in turn
> help me initially. a couple of years further and the
> inflation it would cause would begin to take it
> back,
> but, maybe i'd be better off finacially then to face
> the inflation. of course he'd have to work harder to
> make up for the fact that newly hired people would
> be
> laid off because to pay for the raises of those that
> stayed. but he's been there long enough to be safe.
> so, while i'd not vote to hurt others to help
> myself,
> i'd not cry big tears if the minmum wage was raised.
> 
> 
> just to get you more proof of my nuttiness as if you
> think you need it, i think in the future france,
> belgium, the netherlands and spain will likely be
> muslim countries. no revolution, just demografics. 
> 
> possibly texas, new mexico, arizona, california, and
> at least part of colorado will be northern states of
> mexico or an independant latin american republic.
> not
> in my life time, but, in my grandchildrens lifetime.
> the trends could be reversed, but, i do not think
> they
> will be. 
> 
> so now you know i am totally crazy. or am i? 
> 
> --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > Of course, Jihad thinks it is getting rid of all
> the
> > infidels, and the
> > Nazis were trying to get rid of everybody who
> wasn't
> > pure. ironic, isn't it?
> > 
> > Mag 
> > 
> > Tamar Raine
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Now serving tee shirts! and soon to come, Maui
> > posters and other items;
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> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: 10/22/2006 4:50:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
> > quickly
> > >
> > > The last Japanese soldier came out from hiding
> 20
> > years ago I think. The
> > war
> > > for him ended that day.  There were holdouts, of
> > course.  See:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/germany-iran.htm
> >  but it is
> > disputed
> > > as to how many similarities there are between
> Iraq
> > and Germany.  I guess
> > the
> > > biggest difference is the Islamic psychology of
> > jihad.    
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > ken barber
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:41 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
> > quickly
> > >
> > > do you know that the troops were still being
> shot
> > at
> > > as long as 7 years after the war was supposedly
> > over?
> > > in both places? i'd say they were quelling some
> > > agression still. after that though i'd buy your
> > > version, but not until after that. maybe you
> don't
> > > know as much history as you think. on the other
> > hand
> > > maybe i don't know as much as i think. maybe it
> is
> > > somewhere in-between. good to discuss though.  
> > >
> > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > True, but Germany did have a democracy before
> > > > Hitler, and Japan was so
> > > > shellshocked by defeat from an "inferior" foe,
> > they
> > > > took to democracy quite
> > > > readily.  You're not getting away with history
> > that
> > > > easily, Ken. I know
> > > > history, too.   I think the reason why we kept
> > > > troops there was to make sure
> > > > the communists wouldn't come over. It wasn't
> to
> > > > quell aggresson.  And that
> > > > to me is the big difference.   
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > ken barber
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:27 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
> > > > quickly
> > > > 
> > > > well, lets examine some of the places we have
> > > > exported
> > > > democracy. Japan is a good place to start. we
> > had to
> > > > keep troops there for years, but, japan
> appears
> > to
> > > > have turned out pretty good. Germany under
> > hitler
> > > > was
> > > > hardly a democracy. we left troops there many
> > years,
> > > > but, lookes like it turned out pretty good.
> the
> > > > common
> > > > denominator seems to be the willingness to
> take
> > the
> > > > time necessaary to plant a democracy. if you
> > can't
> > > > microwave one in a few minutes most will say,
> > "it
> > > > can't be done." 
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