i am afraid that as we "redifine" marriage in this
country, there will be a push by poligamist to be
included. but i am resorting to hate speech again if i
say this. just an observation. 

--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Kendall,
> 
> There are tons of good Mormon people. But Section
> 132 of the D & C 
> (Doctrine and Covenants) the book the Mormons use to
> support their 
> faith says any man may espouse ten virgins but that
> if a woman 
> espouse another she shall be destroyed. This is a
> tenet of both the 
> regular LDS and the FLDS. This doctrine has never
> been changed and 
> the abusive men (and not all are) use this doctrine
> to support their abuse.
> We have tried to get Hatch involved for years to
> help us free the 
> people inside polygamy and to enforce the law. We
> have reported tons 
> of serious crimes and he has done nothing but claim
> how many good 
> polygamists he knows. When the story of how many
> died as a result of 
> this indifference is known, he is guilty in my
> opinion.
> The LDS Church through Senator Hatch and others in
> power would like 
> to see polygamy overturned so they can re institute
> it as part of 
> their faith that claims men will inherit their own
> planets in heaven 
> and become gods themselves with as many wives as
> they desire. (Call 
> me a crazy person with a lack of respect for faith
> but this is so 
> WACKY it's difficult to understand how thinking
> people could buy this 
> "philosophy"). This is not an open political move
> but Mormons in 
> power constantly send up trial balloons like the
> statement in your 
> post. Hatch's statements are part of that move.
> You would think any responsible person who had the
> knowledge that 
> people have disappeared and are missing, along with
> the grossly high 
> infant and death rate in there, the unmarked graves,
> lack of 
> education, freedom of movement, trafficking of young
> girls across 
> state and international lines, etc would call for an
> investigation, 
> not be saying oh yes it could be overturned.
> Flora reported her mother as one of the disappeared
> and she has a 
> sister who has also not been seen. They claim
> Flora's mother does not 
> want to see her. However she turned in a letter to
> law enforcement 
> from her mother that was smuggled out saying
> differently. Her mother 
> cannot even mail a letter to her from inside that
> compound because 
> the people working in the Post Office are
> polygamists enforcing the 
> Prophets will. The priesthood leaders (another name
> for criminal 
> gang) have let Flora know over the years that
> because of her activism 
> her mother is suffering at their hands. They have
> shot at Flora who 
> wears a bullet proof vest. Does this sound like a
> benign religious 
> group to you? One US Senators should support?
> Every self respecting law abiding Mormon has a
> bigger duty IMHO to do 
> something about this than the rest of the public
> because they know 
> the history, the beliefs and the doctrine.. Flora
> recently revisited 
> the grave sites and said how many new ones there
> are. There are 
> credible stories Jeffs built a crematorium in the
> temple in Texas, 
> yet law enforcement will not search that compound
> despite the fact we 
> have reported others missing.
> Imagine being born inside there. You are not allowed
> to go to school, 
> only hear the "Prophets" words. You have no health
> care because it is 
> gods will that you were born that way. They blame it
> on the mothers 
> lack of righteousness when she has a deformed child
> rather than 
> generations of incest all mandated as a religious
> right/rite. Brigham 
> Young preached uncles should marry nieces. This is a
> church founded 
> on incest and sexual abuse of girls. Joseph Smith
> the founder married 
> 84 women, some already married, and some still
> children, some mother 
> and daughter pairs, a practice still common inside
> polygamy. Mormons 
> today have to ignore all of these facts to believe
> Joseph Smith was a 
> Prophet of GOD.
> The American pubic was horrified by early Mormon
> practices not 
> because they were discriminating against one
> religion but because of 
> the practices of these early Mormons. Before the
> railroad got to Utah 
> there was no escape. Women risked their lives and
> were killed trying 
> to get the authorities to listen to their stories
> and this is why 
> polygamy was outlawed, not as the Mormons are so
> fond of claiming 
> because they were discriminated against. I only wish
> todays public 
> were as informed as yesterdays was.
> I am attacking the practices of this church. Freedom
> of religion 
> gives the right to believe anything you want but it
> does not give the 
> right to practice anything you want.
> The pertinent verse are 61 to 64 and here is the
> link to the belief 
> that it is ok to destroy women and marry 10 virgins:
> 
> http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/section132.htm
> 
> I work on the civil suits on behalf of the people
> abused by churches. 
> There is a huge difference in the Catholic response
> to this problem 
> and the Mormon one. The Catholic people have a way
> to influence their 
> leaders. It is not an authoritarian church.
> Catholics have been very 
> clear that they want something done to stop the
> abuse of children. 
> The Catholic leaders in historic settlements with
> victims have 
> publicly apologized for the pain and trauma they
> have caused. They 
> have instituted programs to stop the abuse. In my
> opinion the 
> Catholic response has been a Christian one and they
> have stepped up 
> to the plate to solve this problem. I only wish the
> news media would 
> start contrasting their loving and responsible
> response towards 
> victims with the one the Mormons have given.
> The Mormon response has been to try and stop the
> civil suits through 
> legal or quasi legal means and to settle them with
> quash orders so 
> the public does not know the extent of the abuse
> inside Mormonism. I 
> have worked on other church suits as well but the
> LDS abusers are the 
> sickest, worst dogs I have ever encountered.The
> facts are horrifying 
> compared to the Catholic abusers. I am not going to
> mention some of 
> them here because people who don't know what happens
> to children 
> can't emotionally handle the facts. I can barely
> handle them and am 
> often sad and grieving from what I know. l am upset
> by this church 
> because I have seen the facts of their victimization
> and their 
> response. I have been doing this work for over
> twenty five years, 
> long before the public knew the churches had a
> problem.
> I am angry because of what I know and the lack of
> responsible 
> response by law enforcement and the AG's. I am angry
> because my own 
> family members were victims of this folly. The
> United Nations has 
> mandated that polygamy is an inherent violation of
> womens and 
> childrens' rights. There is world wide agreement on
> this point. 
> Utahns lag behind because of their belief in Joseph
> Smith as a prophet of god.
> The link you sent is by a BYU teacher and you must
> be a card carrying 
> Mormon and not write the true history to keep your
> position at BYU. 
> Embry, the author,  is what we call an historical
> apologist. For 
> another viewpoint go to www.utlm.org
> These folks have been sued by the LDS Church to try
> and stop them 
> 
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