i really need to do something productive like go over
my records and get closer to paying my confistory
taxes. -:)
hey this is not just for my limey friend and i to
discuss. go to www.fairtax.org and see what we are
looking at and discuss it with us. -:)
--- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> --- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday 25 March 2007 21:56, ken barber wrote:
> > > some of the circumstances that one has is
> > accidental
> > > and under no ones control while some of the
> > > circumsstances that one finds themselves in are
> no
> > > accidents, but rather a result of choices made.
> >
> > Some "choices" are forced...
>
> agreed some are, some are not. i think i at least
> aluded to that. i agree some choices are made are
> the
> best of serveral bad alturnatives, but then again
> some
> choices are made with a bad one over a obvious good
> one available.
> >
> > > ie:
> > > your education did not just happen. you chose to
> > stay
> > > in school and so on. so yes, i agree that you do
> > help
> > > some of the less fortunate, however those that
> got
> > > where they are by their own choices should be
> > helped
> > > to correct the results of their choices and get
> > them
> > > back on the road to self sufficency in as much
> as
> > they
> > > want to better themselves. i find myself with no
> > dudy
> > > to help someone who shows no desire to be helped
> > to
> > > get to the point that they no longer neeed help.
>
> >
> > You are trying to make a distinction between
> > "Deserving" and "Undeserving"
> > poor, a very Victorian ethic.
>
> victoria had some good ethics. they probably help
> enland during her time.
>
>
>
>
> > > feel a duty to help people who are genuinely in
> > need
> > > and have unforunate circumstances that prohibit
> > them
> > > from making it on their own. we in america are
> not
> > > supposed to have class separations. but don't
> fool
> > > yourself, it is there.
> >
> > If someone is in need then I'm happy for my tax
> > pounds to help them, it does
> > not matter how they got into that position. My
> only
> > beef on tax is that it
> > should be "fair", and to be fair it should be
> based
> > on our income. If the
> > govt take 40% of my income, ok, but please also
> take
> > 40% of the £12,000,000
>
> if they did not have those nasty loopholes then they
> could get the 40% of the 12,000,000 pounds. why not
> 60%?
>
> > bonus the chap upstairs got last month (in fact
> take
> > all of it - he's an
> > idiot - but that wouldn't be fair!!).
> >
> he's an idiot? who got the 12,000,000 pound bonus.
> we
> all could hope to be idiots, i'd say.
>
> > > how much of ones wealth is enough to put pack
> > into
> > > society? half? 75%?
> >
> > Well, if you include indirect as well as direct
> > taxation, I pay well over half
> > my income as tax. In some European countries
> income
> > over £100,000 are taxed
> > at 99%.
> >
> > > what did you think of the pre-bate idea in the
> > fair
> > > tax proposal?
> >
> > I think you know. ;-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Deri
> >
> > hey deri, promise to read it and give me a mailing
> address, and i'll send you a couple of books. get
> your
> blood pressure way up. -:)
> > > --- Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 25 March 2007 16:41, ken barber
> wrote:
> > > > > although i do think no tax at all is better.
> > > > >
> > > > > why should distributing wealth be one of the
> > > >
> > > > purposes
> > > >
> > > > > of taxes?
> > > > > i agree that it is, but why should it be?
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ken,
> > > >
> > > > Is it not a duty (as a member of the human
> race)
> > to
> > > > consider "others" as well
> > > > as ourselves? (I know you will agree). ;-)
> > > >
> > > > The fact I have a comfortable life has very
> > little
> > > > to do with whatever meagre
> > > > talents I may have been born with, and an
> awful
> > lot
> > > > to do with
> > > > the "circumstances" of my life, i.e. my
> > upbringing,
> > > > education, family wealth
> > > > & influence ("class" as this is the UK!!),
> > health,
> > > > and serendipitous
> > > > opportunities. All things over which I had
> very
> > > > little control.
> > > >
> > > > Just as it would be false for me to claim much
> > > > credit for my wealth, equally,
> > > > someone with a much less comfortable life
> should
> > not
> > > > be "blamed" for that
> > > > fact.
> > > >
> > > > Given that too great an inequality in society
> is
> > > > inevitably destructive,
> > > > leading either to social unrest (crime,
> > revolution,
> > > > war), or loss of freedoms
> > > > (as the State attempts to quell social
> unrest),
> > a
> > > > healthy society should
> > > > ensure the gap between rich and poor is kept
> at
> > an
> > > > equitable balance. Direct
> > > > taxation of wealth and high public spending on
> > > > education, health, and
> > > > welfare, is the most efficient way to
> > redistribute
> > > > this wealth.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Deri
> > > >
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