Oh, I don't disagree with you on that but as a person who's both a CP and
Hard-of-hearing, I've been in both worlds, and can tell you I totally
understand where they're coming from. And to tell you the truth, I also find
it presumptuous when an AB person tells me what we ought to feel, as there's
no way in the world they can know. They just can't.
So no, I don't think the dead should see themselves as non-disabled, but I
also don't presume to tell them that. By the same token, I also resent it
when deaf people tell parents they shouldn't get conchlear implants for their
deaf kids. To me that's overstepping their boundaries and taking choices
away from the child.
Kat
On Thursday 04 December 2003 12:57 pm, you wrote:
> Kat,
>
> Everyone has a horror story - of when they don't belong - continuing the
> hatred makes on no better than the original perpatrator - okay that' s not
> spelled right - but you know what I mean. Its time to put he barriars away
> - peace starts with each individual.
>
> Trisha
>
>
>
>
> Well the deaf community has a long history of mistreatment and
> misunderstandings from the hearing community, I don't blame them for being
> defensive and insular. They have more problems than other disabled people
> because their disability is a lot less visible and more easily understood.
>
> A classic story from WWII -
>
> A crowd was settling in a stadium to watch a game. They were instructed
> to salute the flag and all the men took off their hats, save one. A couple
> of Brooklynites yelled at him to remove his hat; he did nothing and refused
> to face them. Infuriated, they called him a 'Nazi sympathiser' and
> proceeded to beat him up. It wasn't until he was rushed to the hospital
> that anyone found out he was totally deaf.
>
> With incidents like this, it's no wonder the deaf are so insular.
>
> Kat
>
> On Thursday 04 December 2003 11:56 am, you wrote:
> > Hi Kat,
> >
> > Okay - wasn't sure what she meant.
> > My point is that it hurts the disabled community in there efforts for
> > betterment, etc. A united large community has more clout than many small
> > fragmented units. I believe if you looked the numbers for each
> > individual disability then added them all up - you would have a
> > impressive number - and number speak.
> >
> > Frankly - since I consider nature's imperfections as normal - I am
> > against all the labeling but it seems to be needed in order to get
> > things done - or something. To me a "normal" person is an anomaly. I am
> > not sure there actually is such a beast. There does however seem to be a
> > universal cookie cutter that people are suppose to come out of. I am not
> > a cookie person, and neither is anyone else. But people have high needs
> > to group themselves into units like themsleves and then build fences
> > around themselves, and shut others out. Ah well...........
> >
> > Trisha
> >
> > > I think she meant she uses ASL because she has to, not because it's
> > > fun.
> > >
> > > I kind of understand your point regarding the deaf being disabled, but
> > > they don't see themselves as disabled at all, and frankly, I applaud
> > > them, and think it's presumptuous of a non-deaf or non-hard-of-hearing
> > > person to tell them they are disabled.
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > > On Thursday 04 December 2003 11:37 am, you wrote:
> > > > Hi Asdis,
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry I don't understand your reply. How is hearing going?
> > > >
> > > > Trisha
> > > >
> > > > > soorry i must reply im deaf because i sign asdis At 11:58
> > > > > 2.12.2003
> > > > >
> > > > > -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > >Hi Tamara,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am sorry. Amber is loving signing. It is challenges her -
> > > > > > using her = right hand as a assistant, and it makes her slower.
> > > > > > But she loves it. I = wish we would find more ways to get to
> > > > > > common ground rather than the one = uncommon thing we might
> > > > > > have. Alex and I are learning ASL right along = with Amber. We
> > > > > > talk during conversations that we aren't involved in and = it
> > > > > > works great over distances... like across the room - when you
> > > > > > don't = want to shout.=20
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trisha
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trish,
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > What Bobby is saying is true. I have a daughter that is deaf
> > > > > > > in 1 ear =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >and I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > have tried to have her learn different things about the deaf
> > > > > > > culture =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >but yet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > she is stuck between the two cultures. I have been around
> > > > > > > alot of =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >deaf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > people and unless you are one of them they don't accept you.
> > > > > > > I was basically told that if and when Rebekah becomes totally
> > > > > > > deaf then they =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >will
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > take her under their wing and teach her everything she needs
> > > > > > > to know. This is also a girl that loves sign lnguage and is
> > > > > > > becaoming very good =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > at using it.
> > > > > > > Tamara
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Trisha Cummings" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:21 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Amber's trip to Galludet
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Bobby,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's just plain silly! I don't mind being visually
> > > > > > > > impaired - =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >you =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > take my glasses away and I can't see well enough to find my
> > > > > > > > glasses. =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > can't drive without them- heck I can't walk without them!!!
> > > > > > > > And it =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >=3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > impairs my ability to hear - when I don't have them on.
> > > > > > > > What's wrong =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >=3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with admitting I ain't perfect? Cute as button tho!!! GRIN.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trisha>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Trish,
> > > > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > > > > Persons who use ASL consider Deafness as a culture.
> > > > > > > > > Many do =
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not like
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hearing persons. They do not consider deafness a
> > > > > > > > > disability just =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >as =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > persons do
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > consider being an American as a disability.
> > > > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > > > > Bobby
> > > > >
> > > > > Asdis night owl mom of the purring cats, Agatha Mist queen of our
> > > > > apartment and Odinn Thistill my little baby!!!
> > > > > implanted with CI NC24 18 Juni 2003.
> > > > > Hookup-date 15 august 2003
> > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > [log in to unmask] msn messenger
> > > > > asdisj_astradsdottir yahoo id.
> > > > > Iceland.
> > > > >
> > > > > Faith, Hope and Love.
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