They can get it but not if they want promotions. At least that's what
they tell me.
At 04:43 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
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>that's very bad that they can't get counseling! stupid! =0A =0A~~~~~~~~~~~~=
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0Ahttp://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*=0ATamar Mag Raine=
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>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Linda Walke=
>r <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask]: Monday, O=
>ctober 29, 2007 7:23:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: disgusting behavior=0A=0AMany of =
>the soldiers being deployed are at Schofield next to where I =0Alive. I fee=
>l like I live on a military base here. We rent units to =0Asoldiers and to=
> private contractors who are also serving there. I =0Ahave been dealing wit=
>h their problems as they come home. I am sure I =0Ahave talked to more of t=
>hem than most American civilians. I have =0Aoften talked to them about whet=
>her or not they are going to re enlist =0Aand other things. Believe me when=
> I say these young men and women are =0Acoming back very distraught and des=
>troyed and they cannot seek any =0Apsychological counseling without it nega=
>tively impacting their service record.=0A=0AAt 01:42 PM 10/29/2007, you wro=
>te:=0A>Linda, I think your politics are showing. I don't believe this fell=
>ow=3D=0A> was a veteran of any current conflict. The article referred to =
>a 'brie=3D=0A>f army stint'. I do believe the Guardian was trying to capit=
>alize on=3D=0A> his military service and subliminally link his military se=
>rvice to his=3D=0A> crime without having to outright establish the connect=
>ion--but that's=3D=0A> typical of yellow journalism, both liberal and cons=
>ervative. PTSD may=3D=0A> tear a mind down, but it doesn't turn whole gro=
>ups of vets into cold-he=3D=0A>arted brutes. How many vets do you know? H=
>ow many have you talked to=3D=0A> about their experiences--or are you just=
> repeating what you've been tol=3D=0A>d by the proponents of a particular p=
>olitical agenda?=0A>=3D20=0A>War is brutal to soldier and civilian alike, b=
>ut you can't make sweeping=3D=0A> generalizations about post-bellum behavi=
>or. If your prediction were=3D=0A> based in fact, we would have never rec=
>overed from the second World War.=3D=0A> My father, who served in two conf=
>licts, Korea and Vietnam, would have=3D=0A> taken out his war-generated an=
>gst on his family, right? A retired US=3D=0A> Marine Lieutenant Colonel, =
>he is the kindest, most gentle man I've ever=3D=0A> known. =3D20=0A>=3D20=
>=0A>War is supposed to be brutal, violent. It is such an admission of fail=
>u=3D=0A>re and is testimony to the true nature of humankind. The military =
>is=3D=0A> a blunt instrument--a hammer, where everything is a nail. But n=
>obody=3D=0A> wants war less than the best soldier.=0A>=3D20=0A>Three years=
> is harsh? In most US states this would be conspiracy to man=3D=0A>slaught=
>er and would have received 10-15 with parole at 7. I highly doub=3D=0A>t t=
>hat castigation from his neighbors is going to enhance his contrition.=0A>=
>=3D20=0A>Kyle Cleveland=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=0A>From=
>: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of Linda Walker=0A>Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 4:2=
>0 PM=0A>To: [log in to unmask]>Subject: Re: disgusting behavior=
>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>War brutalizes people and so get ready for a crime wave lik=
>e we have=0A>never seen as these traumatized soldiers come home. Disgusting=
> isn''t=0A>strong enough.=0A>=0A>At 10:08 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:=0A> >*M=
>artin Wainw=3D3D=0A> >=0A> >Jail for ex-soldier who urinated on dying disab=
>led woman=3D3D0A=3D3D0A*Mart=3D=0A>in Wainw=3D3D=0A> >right=3D3D0ASaturday =
>October 27, 2007=3D3D0AThe Guardian <http://www.guardi=3D=0A>an .co.u=3D3D>=
>k/>*=3D3D0A=3D3D0AA drunken former soldier who urinated on a =0A>disabled n=
>eigh=3D=0A>bour as =3D3D=0A> >she lay=3D3D0Adying after a fall in the stree=
>t was jailed for three years=3D=0A> yeste=3D3D=0A> >rday and=3D3D0Atold th=
>at he and his friends had shamed a town. Anthony=3D=0A> Anderson=3D3D=0A> =
> >, 27, and a=3D3D0Agroup of friends who filmed the humiliation of Christin=
>=3D=0A>e Laki=3D3D=0A> >nski on a=3D3D0Amobile phone, have been cold-should=
>ered in Hartlepool and=3D=0A> turne=3D3D=0A> >d away from=3D3D0Ashops and =
>neighbours' homes.=3D3D0A=3D3D0AThey were castiga=3D=0A>ted by a j=3D3D=0A>=
> >udge and police at a brief court hearing which=3D3D0Awas told that their=
>=3D=0A> "almos=3D3D=0A> >t unbelievable" behaviour had turned the lesson o=
>f=3D3D0Athe Good Samarit=3D=0A>an on =3D3D=0A> >its head. Ms Lakinski, a 50=
>-year-old bent by a spine=3D3D0Adeformity and=3D=0A> bullie=3D3D=0A> >d fo=
>r most of her life, had also been covered in shaving=3D3D0Afoam and=3D=0A> =
> kicked =3D3D=0A> >to "make her wake up".=3D3D0A=3D3D0AArticle continues<ht=
>tp://www.guardian=3D=0A> .co.uk/cr=3D3D>ime/ article/0, ,2200320, 00.html#=
>article_ =0A> continue>=3D3D0A------------=3D=0A> -------=3D3D=0A> >-- ---=
>------=3D3D0A------------ --------- ---------=3D3D0ADuring the episod=3D=0A=
> >e in Jul=3D3D=0A> >y, which lasted almost half an hour, none of the=3D3D0A=
>group called an=3D=0A> ambulanc=3D3D=0A> >e to help Ms Lakinski, who had c=
>ollapsed while=3D3D0Acarrying shopping=3D=0A> home and=3D3D=0A> > hit her=
> head. Only 20 minutes later, when=3D3D0AAnderson, the phone-fil=3D=0A>mer =
>Sim=3D3D=0A> >on Whitehead and several others had dressed to=3D3D0Ago out t=
>o a nightclu=3D=0A>b, was=3D3D=0A> > a 999 call finally made. Paramedics w=
>ere unable=3D3D0Ato revive Ms Laki=3D=0A>nski, b=3D3D=0A> >ut the call enab=
>led police to trace one of the=3D3D0Agroup, Scott Clement=3D=0A>, whic=3D3D=
>=0A> >h led to Anderson's arrest at a local club within=3D3D0Ahours.=3D3D0A=
>=3D3D0AH=3D=0A>e admitted=3D3D=0A> > outraging public decency and apologis=
>ed through his barrister at=3D3D0A=3D=0A>Teessid=3D3D=0A> >e crown court fo=
>r actions which he said he still could not explain.=3D3D0=3D=0A>A=3D3D0ATh=
>=3D3D=0A> >e court heard that Ms Lakinski lived opposite a house in Raby Ro=
>ad whic=3D=0A>h=3D3D0A=3D3D=0A> >Anderson shared with another man, who had =
>been smoking cannabis and dri=3D=0A>nkin=3D3D=0A> >g=3D3D0Aheavily with him=
> all afternoon. Anderson went out in shorts with=3D=0A> a towe=3D3D=0A> >l=
>=3D3D0Around his waist when he saw Ms Lakinski slumped on the pavement.=3D=
>=0A>=3D3D0A=3D3D0AS=3D3D=0A> >ue Jacobs, prosecuting, said Anderson first k=
>icked the helpless woman=3D=0A> and=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0Awhen she groaned but =
>failed to move or open her eyes, fetched a=3D=0A> bowl of=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0=
>Awater and threw it over her. "Apparently urged on by the fact that=3D=0A> =
> Scott=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0AClement and Simon Whitehead found this amusing, you=
> then stated=3D=0A> that you=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0Awere going to urinate on her=
>. Simon Whitehead cleared space on his=3D=0A> mobil=3D3D=0A> >e=3D3D0Aand =
>recorded Anderson urinating all over Christine's body." One=3D=0A> of the =
>=3D3D=0A> >group=3D3D0Ashouted: 'This is YouTube material.'"=3D3D0A=3D3D0AJ=
>udge Peter=3D=0A> Fox, the rec=3D3D=0A> >order of Middlesbrough, told Ande=
>rson he had plumbed=3D3D0Athe depths of=3D=0A> degrad=3D3D=0A> >ation and =
>brought shame on the people of Hartlepool. He=3D3D0Asaid: "This=3D=0A> cou=
>rt=3D3D=0A> > can do nothing to repair what you did, only pass a=3D3D0Asen=
>tence that=3D=0A> is righ=3D3D=0A> >t in all the circumstances - three yea=
>rs imprisonment. "=3D3D0A=3D3D0AAnder=3D=0A>son, une=3D3D=0A> >mployed afte=
>r brief army service, has previous convictions for=3D3D0Aille=3D=0A>gally =
>=3D3D=0A> >importing cigarettes, obstructing a police officer and driving=
>=3D3D0Aoffe=3D=0A>nces.=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0A =3D3D0A~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
>~~~~~~~~=3D3D0Ahttp://www.zazzle.com=3D=0A>/TamarMag*=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0ATama=
>r Mag [log in to unmask]>ma=
>rmag=3D3D0A~=3D3D=0A> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3=
>D0A=3D3D0A----- Original=3D=0A> Message ----=3D3D=0A> >=3D3D0AFrom: Kendal=
>l D. Corbett <[log in to unmask]>=3D3D0ATo: C-PAL=3D=0A>SY@LISTS=3D3=
>D=0A> >ERV.ICORS.ORG=3D3D0ASent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:20:28 PM=3D3D0=
>ASubjec=3D=0A>t: Re: s=3D3D=0A> >onocur=3D3D0A=3D3D0AKen,=3D3D0A=3D3D0AIt's=
> worth a shot, but good luck getting=3D=0A> insurance to=3D3D=0A> > cover=
> it, as it's=3D3D0Astill listed as "experimental." I thought abou=3D=0A>t =
>your =3D3D=0A> >arms when Janet's doc=3D3D0Afirst mentioned this.=3D3D0A=3D=
>3D0A=3D3D0AOn 10/27/=3D=0A>07, ken barb=3D3D=0A> >er <[log in to unmask]> =
>wrote:=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> you know this might help=3D=0A> me. that i=3D3D=0A>=
> >s what i have going=3D3D0A> on from my fingers to the neck from repetitiv=
>=3D=0A>e stre=3D3D=0A> >ss.=3D3D0A> of course the government is blaming min=
>e on cp,=3D3D0A> but,hop=3D=0A>efully i=3D3D=0A> >'ll win this last appeal.=
>=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> --=3D3D0A> Kendall=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> An=3D=0A> unreasonable=
> ma=3D3D=0A> >n (but my wife says that's redundant!)=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> The re=
>asonable man=3D=0A> adapts hi=3D3D=0A> >mself to the world; the unreasonab=
>le one=3D3D0A> persists in trying to=3D=0A> adapt th=3D3D=0A> >e world to =
>himself. Therefore, all progress=3D3D0A> depends on the unreas=3D=0A>onable=
>=3D3D=0A> > man.=3D3D0A>=3D3D0A> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950=3D3D0A=3D3=
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