Kendall,
I've refrained from getting involved in this thread, but I just wanted to
say that your post was really insightful and level-headed on what has proven
to be a hot issue with the list. Thank you.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kendall David Corbett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Polygamists may go the way of Al Capone
> >becouse that is not what the homosexuals want. you
>>know it, i know it, and everyone else knows it.
>
> Ken,=20
>
> Maybe I'm dense, but would you be so kind as to explain "what the
> homosexuals want"?
>
> The gay and lesbian couples I know, including my sister and her partner,
> and my best friend from grade school and his partner, want to be able to
> own property together and not have to go through probate to maintain
> ownership of the property if one of them dies, or to incur additional
> legal expenses that others don't have to incur to prevent that. They
> also want to be able to make health care decisions for their life
> partner should one of them be involved in an accident, or should they
> have a terminal illness. They want to be able to name their partner as
> the beneficiary of their life insurance policy without going through
> extraordinary legal measures.
>
> Using phraseology like "what the homosexuals want" sets up another
> artificial "us vs. them" dichotomy, much like people in the disability
> community have been fighting for years. I find the similarities between
> the disability rights movement and the gay rights movements to be
> striking; Mike Jefferies has been talking about the difficulties he has
> in conducting a relationship, and many of us said we had experienced
> similar difficulties, if not to the same degree. So if people with
> disabilities don't want to be "Those People," why should we make another
> group "those people?"
>
>
> All the gay and lesbian people I know (and for living in Wyoming, I know
> a lot) want to be able to do their jobs and to have "quiet enjoyment" of
> their lives without undue interference by the government and in some
> cases, their families. =20
> Kendall=20
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:22 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [C-PALSY] Polygamists may go the way of Al Capone
>
> Exactly. The same rights the disabled community wants ought to be=20
> afforded other minorities as well.
>
> At 05:01 AM 4/23/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi Kat,
>>
>> The really silly thing here is the ignorance of what's actaully =3D
>>happening in real world. Gay couple live together, the acquire
> children, =3D
>>have houses, get sick get old and die. Not making the relationship =3D
>>doesn't change reality. Nor make anyone become ungay, it simply robs =
> =3D
>>people of dignity and rights. I support gay marraige have you seen the
> =3D
>>length of some of the relationships of the people who want to get =3D
>>married? They have logged some serious years. And it would seem about =
> =3D
>>making a commitment whether or not its a publicly approved thing.=3D20
>>
>>The same thing happens with ployamory, which by the way is alive and =
> =3D
>>well and operating in your community. You would be amazed how many =3D
>>people operate under the radar living quietly as they chose. You cannot
> =3D
>>legislate how people will live, they will do it their way, regardless.
> =3D
>>In the end its not about marriage, or multiple partners its about the =
> =3D
>>threat of someone being different and you ability to force them to be =
> =3D
>>like you.=3D20
>>
>>Frankly, with the divorce rate as it is(50% of 1st marriages, 50% of
> 2nd =3D
>>marriages and 16% of 3rd marraiges) - why aren't people more concerned
> =3D
>>with the folks who walk out on the commitments - single mom and kids -
> =3D
>>there is group that suffers( and are on welfare!!). The whole marriage
> =3D
>>thing needs to be examined - obviously something that worked when
> people =3D
>>died like flys is not working now. We need to fine something that does
> =3D
>>work.=3D20
>>
>> Trisha
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
>>Of Kathleen Salkin
>>Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 1:23 AM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Polygamists may go the way of Al Capone
>>
>>
>>OK I think that no matter what happens in the matter of civil unions =
> =3D
>>=3D3D20
>>and legal marriages, a line will be drawn at the age of consent. I =3D
>>=3D3D20
>>honestly think it's no one else's business what a consenting adult
> =3D3D20
>>does in his or her private life but a child is another matter.
>>
>>And yes, I support gay marriages and I think it's high time that we =3D
>>=3D3D20
>>allow a=3D3D86 least civil unions. I think we are creating a lot of =
> hurt
> =3D
>>=3D3D20=3D3D
>>
>>by not supporting gay unions. Ken, it's not just homosexuals who
> =3D3D20
>>want gay civil unions but also straight people who think they should =
> =3D
>>=3D3D20
>>be allowed legal rights to properties and assets the same as =3D3D20
>>straight married couples.
>>
>>Kat
>>
>>
>>On 22 Apr 2006, at 19:29, ken barber wrote:
>>
>>becouse that is not what the homosexuals want. you
>>know it, i know it, and everyone else knows it.
>>
>>hey, why can't a man have civil unions with 6 women or
>>vice versa?
>>
>>there are those out there who want to "marry" little
>>children.
>>
>>animals have rights says some. there are a few that
>>woant to "marry" animals.
>>
>>hey if a guys loves his horse who am i to forbid the
>>"marriage" as long as he does not hurt me. after all
>>it is love that matters.
>>
>>hey, no holds barred. that is what is wanted.
>>
>>--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > Ken, why can't there be civil unions as well as
>> > marriages?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
>> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>> > ken barber
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:38 PM
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: Polygamists may go the way of Al Capone
>> >
>> > well, you get to forbidding the states to define
>> > marriage as one man and one woman and pandora's box
>> > is
>> > opened IMHO. of course i am not an enlightened
>> > liberal, i am just an old bigoted conservative, so
>> > what would i know.
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