I'll say it again, Christianity was never meant to be a national faith.
Because it is, though, we have such instances as pagan reaming pagan, and
Christian reaming Christian. The sad fact is that when Christianity becomes
the national faith, it tends to dominate; once it dominates, it loses its
self, its mission, and its ability to challenge the status quo.
It is this inability to challenge the real status quo that I find so
disquieting if not disgusting among some conservative Christians today. It
is so easy to compartmentalize one's life, to say this, this, and this I'll
let Christianity touch, but not this attitude or idea. The movie "Breach"
is an example of this. We then have examples like Wilburforce in "Amazing
Grace" who didn't compartmentalize their attitudes, but rather let
Christianity challenge all of them.
I could go on and on about this. I should know, I was a conservative until
about 10 years ago, when I saw what the conservative movement was doing to
itself. I know consider myself a Christian independent; with the emphasis on
Christian, not political party.
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From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Trisha Cummings
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:24 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
You know Ken,
The probelm is not that the US isn't a Christian Nation - it is ask =
any non-Christian - they are a better judge of the Christianness than =
any Christain - its that it never your kind of Christian . And you can =
debate that into obliven - since the Council of Nicae in 325 AD never =
have Christian come up a universal view - hence the 1500 differents =
versions of Christianity. Several good links about the Council of Nicea =
are http://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine-Bible.html and =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea also =
http://www.probe.org/content/view/790/91/ These are good educational =
links - I got over my frothing at the mouth about Christianity about the =
time I realzed the probelem is not the philosophy but but the people. I =
just got reamed out for letting Amber read the Bible as a child by a =
Fundementalist Pagan - I spend much time now - trying for peace and a =
live and let live idea. So there you have it - a Pagan defending your =
right to your beliefs - Frankly I would ban religion but then people =
would just fight over something else. Poor God - his heart must hurt =
that his children act so silly.
Trisha=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
Of ken barber
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:12 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
you know i am not going to cuss you out mike. your
opinion is as good as anyone else. but, i must tell
you i do not view america as a christian nation. i
view it as a post christian nation. you are right
about it not being christian. i think you are wrong
when you say it never was. i think at one time it was.
there are lots of things in our national government
that is not christian.=20
Jesus said his kingdom was not earthly and so it is
not, but, the prophets do say that there will one day
be an earthly kingdom and predicts Jesus to rule with
a "rod of iron." that tells me he is not ging to put
up with much oposition.=20
to the non-christians on the list i appologize. if
you'd like, i can discuss theology with mike off list.
--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> This one is rhetorical and I don't expect anyone to
> answer... Since we say
> the U.S. is a CHRISTIAN nation, our leader then
> ultimately has to be Jesus,
> right? What then would Jesus have done in the wake
> of 9/11, as opposed to
> what actually happened? =20
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> My point is this (and Ken, you can cuss me out if
> you want), our civic
> religion is basically a mishmash, not Christianity.=20
> Here is how it boils
> down to me. Take one heaping helping of
> nationalism; add two scoops of
> national preservation; add three cloves of self
> righteousness; sprinkle two
> or three Bible verses very, very lightly, and fold.
> Add theological sayings,
> and fold again. Bake in the hot air of political
> lyrical discourse until
> well done, and enjoy it while blowing bubbles of
> happiness.
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> I know, I'm cynical, but I get so sick and tired of
> the clich=E9 "America (the
> U.S.) is a Christian Nation." IT NEVER WAS. It was
> and is a religious
> nation with Christian undertones, but every nation
> is shaped by the faith of
> most of the important citizens. The Christian faith
> was never meant to be
> the faith of the majority. It is, here, though,
> and we have to put up with
> some anti-Christian ideas from "Christian
> policymakers" in order to live
> here.
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