Hi Bobby,

Thanks for the note.  Reminds me I forgot to respond to your earlier post
about your professed ignorance of matters Jewish.

What I would have said was were you in any degree familiar with the Old
Testament you would know much about Judaism and even Jewish people.  You'd
know much from the New Testament too, except there most Jewish people and
Christian people would draw a line, or Grand Canyon, of distinction.

(Sorry: I've a lingering post-Hitler aversion to the word Jew.  Like CP (or
G**p): Depends who says the word, how spoken or spat.)

I don't overtly intentionally practice my religion or believe most of it,
actually I'm fairly uninformed about most of it.  Matter of fact I'm still
smarting from the pagan ritual my loving parents performed on my male
member.  Civilized people my <SNIP!>.  (Maybe THAT'S why I'm so painfully
self conscious about my short comings.)

Perhaps my best categorization wound fit under Secular Jewish, though I also
feel comfortable with Delicatessen Jewish (The latter about as close I can
get to loving and forgiving my German heritage.).

Though I mock, many of the rules then as now, probably are more sound and
sane than not.  Much of our contemporary governmental and religious
structures, laws, and public health efforts derive from Hebrews, Greeks, and
Romans.  Not that their haven't been myriad others.  While everybody was
breaking bread and heads back then they were doing a decent enough job
laying down solid foundations.

Those more inclined study, refine, and pass on the traditions.  Others do
good deeds in other ways and places.  Whether "pear" shaped or spherical, on
this wonderful Earth if you get to go far enough you come back to the point
from which you started.



Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:19:44 -0500
From: Bobby Greer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Kosher?
ISM,
I love your posts! You brighten heart and enlighten ignorant Goyas
like Kyle and myself on the finer aspects of Judaism. The way you speak of
Rabbis makes them much like other clergy re: job insurance. I don't like
people acting as "go between's" for me and my Creator. I like taling to the
Man or Woman him/herself. Come to think of it, the Creator is neither man
or woman, but a Supreme Being.
As I understand it, most Judaic laws(forbidding eating of pork, for
example) had a sound rationale in the beginning.
Just showing my ignorance.
Bobby

>Kyle,
>
>If the Rabbis let the Goyas or the Jews really know what they were up to
>they might be out of a job.
>
>They copped a power grab a couple millennia back, convinced the majority
>they needed spiritual guidance, religious laws, and experts to mediate for
>the masses with God. The majority found that an ok trade for their obvious
>tendency to lapse and reluctance to bear too much guilt.
>
>They make the laws too complicated for anyone to follow without their
advice
>as their additional job insurance, much like lawyers.
>
>Its all smoke and mirrors.
>
>Steve Margolis
>
>
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:59:25 -0400
>From: "Kyle E. Cleveland" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Kosher
>-----Original Message-----
>From: St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dina Dror
>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 2:46 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Kosher
>
>Hi all,
>A Rabbi does NOT bless the food to make it Kosher. He checks out the
>ingredients and the sources when dealing with different companies. <SNIP>
>Dina,
>When I worked in this place (some 25 years ago), we'd have to let the rabbi
>in the warehouse to do something ceremonial with the dressing. I assumed he
>was approving it as Kosher. If not, what was he doing back in there? (No
>Goyas allowed to watch)
>-Kyle