Ken,
You have better chance against a man than I do - my object would be to give them time to get away. I am all of 4'10" tall and 50 years old, not to mention - kinda disabled around the corners. And to tell you turth - all this is hypothetical - what would really happened - would only be known - if this happened. And I could actually skip that - thanks........ What we discussing is everyone assuming they will know how they will act. Sometimes we just don't act that way in an emergency.
Trisha
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ken barber [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:31 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
>
> call it spitting hair or whatever you like, you'd like
> it to be just that simple, but, it is not. self
> defense is not murder. protecting ones family is not
> murder. stopping a murderer from continueing to
> murder. sorrry, but your view is simply simplistic,
> but, if you can live with it then it is your right to
> have it. but, if my kid was killed and i could have
> stopped it, then i am deserving of all the disrespect
> in the world. if my wife and children were in danger,
> i'd kill in a heartbeat to save them. and i can
> certainly live with that view.
>
> --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > I don't split hairs - it is killing is killing -
> > period. When you try =
> > to define the killing that's okay - you start a
> > whole new round of =
> > killing. I do not care what it is - or how far along
> > in life it is - if =
> > you deprive it of life - you killed/murder it.
> > People spend all this =
> > time splitting hairson what and when it is okay to
> > kill. The answer - =
> > nothing and never. This is why - no matter how much
> > I love and honor =
> > Jesus - I will be a follower of his believe system
> > as it stands - the =
> > very ancient and first "Christians" lived like Jesus
> > - but did not =
> > workship Jesus - They no longer exist - they where
> > eradicated by other =
> > Christians - that's the kind of Christian I would
> > be. I trust GOD to =
> > show the ones who kill and think its okay for any
> > reason - the error of =
> > their ways - when they die. Kinda like which was
> > the part of do not =
> > kill - you didn't understand. Becasue most people
> > are insecure and worry =
> > about being wrong they will argue their point -
> > frankly till they find =
> > the need to shoot you. So they glom onto defending
> > the right to kill - =
> > rather living up to the request not to kill.=20
> >
> > What people are saying here is the hair spliting
> > about its okay to kill =
> > - if. I am saying - its not okay to kill - period.
> > If you can defend =
> > killing sometimes - then you can defend all the
> > other thou shalt nots =
> > also - and frankly that erodes the entire moral
> > system. Which is where =
> > we are to today. Not becasue we weren't given good
> > imperitives but =
> > because we figure out how to wiggle out of them when
> > they don't fit our =
> > needs. Morality begins with each of us deciding we
> > are going to follow =
> > the good words or make excuses when they are hard to
> > live up to. Ghandi, =
> > defeated the British - and as far I know - he killed
> > not one person. I =
> > am sure God loves Ghandi, even if he was something
> > other than Christian. =
> > Lets face it everytime the Christians - argue about
> > something - there's =
> > another version of Christianity born. So to me its
> > not about the beliefs =
> > its about whose right. Arrogance and pride should be
> > sins becasue they =
> > harm.
> >
> > As I have said - I am simple - all the hair
> > splitting gives me a =
> > headache becasue it just justifies some one breaking
> > the rules becasue =
> > they weren't meant to apply to them or only apply to>
> > them. So, its much =
> > easier to follow - Love is the Law ..... love
> > doesn't kill, love doesn't =
> > cheat, lie or steal. Love doesn't own a big house or
> > drive a fancy car - =
> > love is there for everyone when they need something
> > - a shirt, a hand a =
> > meal, a roof. Love is what Jesus represented with
> > the way he lived his =
> > life. I doubt he suffered self-delusion, hypocrisy
> > and the need to split =
> > hairs over his words. The miracle of Jesus - is that
> > he lived his =
> > beliefs, and GOD takes care of those -we glorify the
> > people who live =
> > their beliefs like that - Mother Teresa, etc. And we
> > fight to the last =
> > ditch to be right without evelooking at how
> > hypocritial we are. The =
> > people will defend killing - never see the
> > hypocrisy of it - its okay =
> > me, when I think its right but its wrong for you
> > becasue I say so.. =
> > Think about what you are defending and the endless
> > cycle of death it =
> > perpetuates.
> >
> > Trisha
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:58 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
> > >=20
> > > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > killing is murder - whether you kill one or a
> > > > million.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > except when you kill a perfectly viable baby and
> > call
> > > it a fetus.
> > >=20
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