You're probably right about Perot and Clinton, probably, but I had no
complaints about that!

 ;-{)}

If Nader hadn't run, it would have given Gore Florida, which would have been
enough...

Ron Paul could make things interesting, as he'll probably pull more votes
from the Republican nominee.  I'm not ready for Hilary yet, but Paul might
open that possibility up wider.  Even if he matches her and/or the
Republican nominee in spending, I have questions about whether he'd be
electable.  He'd have to pull in more moderates than I think he will.

Don't know what would happen if Lieberman caucused with the Republicans;
It'd make Dick Cheney more powerful (as if we need that!).  His ego is huge
anyway.  I still wonder if there might be a move to "draft" him.  when GW
Bush asked him to vet VP candidates, he said he had taken himself out of
consideration, but then he reversed himself.  Don't know whether that was
due to pressure from GHW Bush or not.

On Nov 16, 2007 4:33 PM, ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> well if nader had not run? what if ross perot had not
> run? i think he pretty much elected bill clinton.
> who knows all the "if"s.
>
> --- "Kendall D. Corbett" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>  > Ken,
> >
> > A "true" third party would be great, but with
> > campaign financing, it's not
> > too likely.  If we had a Parliamentary system with a
> > prime minister, it
> > would be easier, at least to get a third party
> > candidate in on the executive
> > level.  As it is the "independents" in Congress
> > usually caucus with the
> > Democrats, and I'll bet that gets uncomfortable for
> > Joe Lieberman at times.
> >
> > I'm also singularly unimpressed with candidates from
> > either party right
> > now.  As we saw in 2000, a third party candidate
> > (Nader) can really muddy
> > the waters.  I like his stand on the issues in most
> > cases, but I can't help
> > thinking if he hadn't run in 2000  Al Gore would
> > have been elected, and
> > things would be at least somewhat better than they
> > are now.
> >
> > On Nov 7, 2007 3:49 PM, ken barber
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > oh, i thought i was off list with you mag. oh well
> > i
> > > do not mind everyone seeing it.
> > >
> > > --- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > i did not like bill(and hilery less) and bush
> > has
> > > > been
> > > > a disappointment as a republican. it may just be
> > > > time
> > > > for a real 3rd party. i just don't know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > yeah... If you ask me, I blame bill clinton
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > death of the democratic party. That is why I
> > left
> > > > > it, and joined peace & freedom!  lol
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 8:57:45 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: a observation about hilery
> > > > >
> > > > > nor am i; not any in either party.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > it's a diversion tatic, ken, that's my
> > thoughts
> > > > on
> > > > > > it. I'm not happy with ANY of the
> > candidates!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > > http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*
> > > > > > Tamar Mag Raine
> > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 8:22:24 PM
> > > > > > Subject: a observation about hilery
> > > > > >
> > > > > > after the debates last week the clinton
> > campaign
> > > > > > claimed "the mens club" were piling on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > my observation is that some real nasty men
> > run
> > > > > > russia,
> > > > > > china, and many other countries. is mrs
> > clinton
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > to whine that they are picking on her when
> > times
> > > > > get
> > > > > > rough? i can not imagine PM Thatcher
> > complaining
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > the men were picking on her.  does this
> > tendacy
> > > > of
> > > > > > playing the gender card everytime she is
> > given a
> > > > > > hard
> > > > > > time indicate that she is not strong enough
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > president?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
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