maybe the 20 or so that i know are just more agressive
about what they want. i think they can inherit assets,
they just have to be sure to have a will, which i
suggest is best for all couples. in many cases
companies give gay couples rights that a non married
man and woman are not afforded. 

--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Here's my problem - we are all human, right?  We
> disabled want the  
> right to live our adult lives as we please, get
> married, have  
> children, etc., etc.  Gay people are humans, too. 
> So how can we  
> advocate for rights for disabled adults and not gay
> adults?
> 
> I honestly don't see what the problem is in allowing
> gays the right  
> to inherit assets and be included in benefits the
> same as straight  
> couples.  I'm not against legal gay marriages either
> but all the gays  
> I know would be happy just to be allowed to have the
> legal right to  
> jointly own assets and be treated as someone
> significant in their  
> partner's life and inherit their partner's estate
> under the full  
> protection of the law.
> 
> I just think that there are more people who actually
> support gays in  
> this than in legal marriages, and if the marriage
> bit wasn't such a  
> hot topic, it'd all be very civilised.  I feel
> people are letting  
> their fear overwhelm compassion.
> 
> Kat
> 
> 
> On 24 Apr 2006, at 22:41, ken barber wrote:
> 
> the gay people i know want to be recognized as
> married
> by church and state. if they got a civil union,
> they'd
> take it as an incremental victory, but, would still
> want to press for marrage recognised by both church
> and state. some, but, not all of them would even sue
> a
> church for withholding fellowship becouse the
> particular church just don't believe that it is
> right.
> i could name a few who would not, but, more of them
> would. i'll give you all this, the ones i know may
> not
> be a scientific sample, but, then again maybe they
> are.
> 
> --- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> >> becouse that is not what the homosexuals want.
> you
> >> know it, i know it, and everyone else knows it.
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > Maybe I'm dense, but would you be so kind as to
> > explain "what the
> > homosexuals want"?
> >
> > The gay and lesbian couples I know, including my
> > sister and her partner,
> > and my best friend from grade school and his
> > partner, want to be able to
> > own property together and not have to go through
> > probate to maintain
> > ownership of the property if one of them dies, or
> to
> > incur additional
> > legal expenses that others don't have to incur to
> > prevent that.  They
> > also want to be able to make health care decisions
> > for their life
> > partner should one of them be involved in an
> > accident, or should they
> > have a terminal illness.  They want to be able to
> > name their partner as
> > the beneficiary of their life insurance policy
> > without going through
> > extraordinary legal measures.
> >
> > Using phraseology like "what the homosexuals want"
> > sets up another
> > artificial "us vs. them" dichotomy, much like
> people
> > in the disability
> > community have been fighting for years.  I find
> the
> > similarities between
> > the disability rights movement and the gay rights
> > movements to be
> > striking; Mike Jefferies has been talking about
> the
> > difficulties he has
> > in conducting a relationship, and many of us said
> we
> > had experienced
> > similar difficulties, if not to the same degree. 
> So
> > if people with
> > disabilities don't want to be "Those People," why
> > should we make another
> > group "those people?"
> >
> >
> > All the gay and lesbian people I know (and for
> > living in Wyoming, I know
> > a lot) want to be able to do their jobs and to
> have
> > "quiet enjoyment" of
> > their lives without undue interference by the
> > government and in some
> > cases, their families.
> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> > Therefore, all
> > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:22 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [C-PALSY] Polygamists may go the way
> of
> > Al Capone
> >
> > Exactly. The same rights the disabled community
> > wants ought to be
> > afforded other minorities as well.
> >
> > At 05:01 AM 4/23/2006, you wrote:
> >> Hi Kat,
> >>
> >>   The really silly thing here is the ignorance of
> > what's actaully =
> >> happening in real world. Gay couple live
> together,
> > the acquire
> > children, =
> >> have houses, get sick get old and die. Not making
> > the relationship =
> >> doesn't change reality. Nor make anyone become
> > ungay, it simply robs =
> >> people of dignity and rights. I support gay
> > marraige have you seen the
> > =
> >> length of some of the relationships of the people
> > who want to get =
> >> married? They have logged some serious years. And
> > it would seem about =
> >> making a commitment whether or not its a publicly
> > approved thing.=20
> >>
> >> The same thing happens with ployamory, which by
> the
> > way is alive and =
> >> well and operating in your community. You would
> be
> > amazed how many =
> >> people operate under the radar living quietly as
> > they chose. You cannot
> > =
> >> legislate how people will live, they will do it
> > their way, regardless.
> > =
> >> In the end its not about marriage, or multiple
> > partners its about the =
> >> threat of someone being different and you ability
> > to force them to be =
> >> like you.=20
> >>
> >> Frankly, with the divorce rate as it is(50% of
> 1st
> > marriages, 50% of
> > 2nd =
> >> marriages and 16% of 3rd marraiges) - why aren't
> > people more concerned
> > =
> >> with the folks who walk out on the commitments -
> > single mom and kids -
> > =
> >> there is group that suffers( and are on
> welfare!!).
> > The whole marriage
> > =
> >> thing needs to be examined - obviously something
> 
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