Yes, islam is a moral religion, as is christianity. And let me say there
have been lots of attrocities done in the name of christianity and I am not
blind to that. I work with a woman who practices islam. We know our
religions are different as do the jews I work with. They are not and she is
not threatening to kill me. I am not threatening to kill her. Actually we
are friends. If upon finding that I am a christian she'd said "you infidel,
I am going to kill you." And then I found out she was packing a pistol, I
would sure as hell be watching out for her.  And I'd not fell kindly to
someone else islamic or not, who knew she treatened me and sold her the gun
and ammo and said "I don't care for him either"
   I am not saying all islamic people  are violet and threatening, what I am
saying is that the terrorist that have attact us and are saying they will
continue to attact us are islamic fanatics and we need to watch those that
match that description and those who support them. That included the fact
that the french and germans trade with some of these terrorist states. I
don't exactly feel kindly toward the french nation even thought I have met
french people that I have liked personally.
   I have nothing against any afghan people personally, but, bin laden was
not only tolerated, he was supported there and we had to hit there to get at
our attacter.
   Now, iraq. I do not know that he has supported bin laden, I do not know
if he is building the bomb to bring here. I could not make a decision on
iraq on what I know, except that he has gassed serveral cities in northern
iraq in the past. But can he strike us? If he could, would he, knowing that
we would nuke him back? I'd hope he is not that crazy, but, I'd have hoped
that no one would kill themselves just to kill others. I think that is crazy
and it has happened and is happening.
   I will say this, there is no such as a "holy war."  Christian, islam or
any other religion. War is not holy.  But when attacked or threatened with
attack, a person or nation has the right to defend themselves.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Salkin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:12 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: 911 was Tomorrow

Not that I don't agree with you up to a point, Ken, but let's turn it around
here.  They certainly consider us heretics immoral, and who's to say they're
more immoral than we are according to their lights?  Just playing devil's
advocate here.

Islam is a very moral religion, and it runs the gamut from someone lenient
to
very, very strict.  I respect their morals, which certainly are stronger
than
that of many Christians I know.

Yes, that small group of Islamic extremists was immoral in that they had no
regard for human lives.  But let's remember that the majority of Islamic
people are not like them, nor should we treat them as such.

And lest anyone say that Christians are any better, may I remind you of the
Middle Ages? Or how about the IRA vs. the Provs?

Kat

On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:40:54 -0400 "Barber, Kenneth L." <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Nor the world to us. Who flew stolen planes
> into the WTC, Micheal? Do you
> know the answer as to who is defending oneself
> and who was offensive. Yes or
> no?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael H Collis
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:38 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 911 was Tomorrow
>
> One man's defense is another man's offense.
> Star wars, Reagan and the
> "Evil Empire" taught us that.  I don't think we
> have the moral
> superiority to dictate our views to the world.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Barber, Kenneth L.
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:30 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 911 was Tomorrow
>
> I do not accept that self defense is equal to
> terrorism. Lets be careful
> about moral equilvilance.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael H Collis
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:28 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 911 was Tomorrow
>
> Bobby, are you then saying we are a law unto
> ourselves?  I hate what the
> terrorists did, and I also know the fear Ken
> has about the world court,
> but to be the only world superpower is a
> terrible responsibility, and
> dare I say it, a curse. The old saw, "Power
> corrupts, and absolute power
> corrupts absolutely," comes to mind here.  I
> don't know what the answer
> is, but I have a problem with being "the only
> one with 'th' big
> shtick.'"   I don't want us to sink to the
> level of the terrorists.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: St. John's University Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of BG Greer, PhD
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:34 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 911 was Tomorrow
>
> In a message dated 9/11/02 12:32:23 PM,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you Pam.
> Much of the world hates us.
> If
> we share our resources with them, they we see
> us as fools and try their
> best
> to hurt us more. There is one thing they do
> understand and that is
> destruction. The best force we have at our
> disposal is the B-52 loaded
> with
> conventional bombs. It literally rains death
> and it was the only weapon
> feared by the Viet Cong, the craftiest enemy we
> have ever faced. If a
> terrorist from country X commits a 9/11 type
> atrocity here, all we need
> to do is to give country X warning and ask them
> to bring the terrorist
> to trial. If that country does not, then using
> B-52's obliterate their
> resources and infrastructure. If we did that to
> 10 terrorist nations,
> they would fear us. Who cares if they don't
> love us. THEY NEVER WILL AND
> NEVER DID.
>
> Bobby
>