i both agree and disagree with trishes view. i agree
with her that i own nothing worth killing for. if
someone broke in and went no further than my living
room to carry off the stero and tv, i would stay in my
bedroom and call the insurance company.
now, having said that, i am living in the atlanta
area. there have been inncidences of beople being
killed and when the perps were cought, their reason
for killing was "to watch them die."
knowing that you are not sure that a intruder wants
property and should be left alone or if they wish to
just kill someone, and the fact that you can withdraw
no further than your home and having done that, what
is left is self defense. defending my family is in my
view is self defense also. yes, i'd defend my self and
my family, and do not think i'd have any remorse after
doing it.
--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Kat,
>
> Its Amber, and now also Alex - and no I may
> not kill him. I can =
> sure him sorry tho. But I have given the girls
> instructions to get out =
> of the house - nothing we own is worth our lives - I
> don't care what =
> someone thinks - I have to live with myself. My
> fear is always the =
> built in survival factor will be stronger than my
> ability to control it. =
> But if I kill someone - I am wrong no matter what
> anyone else says. I am =
> a fundementalist in that respect. This makes life
> simple for me. If you =
> apply the excusablity to the rules, you only need
> honor "good" parents, =
> and you could cheat on a spouse, and you could join
> everyone else and =
> jump off that cliff. I honor my parents, everyone
> spouse is safe with me =
> - and I avoid cliffs and groups of irrational
> people.=20
>
> trisha
>
>
> > I understand, Trish but what if an intruder broke
> into your home and =
> attack=3D
> > ed Amy? Would you kill him to save her life? I'd
> bet you would in a =
> heart=3D
> > beat. I'm sure it'd be murder to you, but to the
> US court system it'd =
> be s=3D
> > elf-defense. I'm sure the intruder wouldn't give
> a damn about love =
> and hum=3D
> > anity, especially if he's out to kill or maim.
> >=20
> > And when were these early Christuns exterminated?
> I'm trying to =
> remember my=3D
> > NT history here, but don't recall early Christian
> history. I =
> remember the=3D
> > period between Paul and the early Roman Church in
> the AD 500s as =
> being a p=3D
> > eriod of the fight for survival until Constantine
> of Rome converted to =
> Chri=3D
> > stianity and established it as the state church of
> Rome.
> >=20
> > Kat
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Oct 3, 2003 11:27 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
> >=20
> > Hi Ken,
> >=20
> > I don't split hairs - it is killing is killing
> - period. When you =
> try to=3D
> > define the killing that's okay - you start a
> whole new round of =
> killing. I=3D
> > do not care what it is - or how far along in life
> it is - if you =
> deprive i=3D
> > t of life - you killed/murder it. People spend all
> this time splitting =
> hair=3D
> > son what and when it is okay to kill. The answer -
> nothing and never. =
> This =3D
> > is why - no matter how much I love and honor Jesus
> - I will be a =
> follower o=3D
> > f his believe system as it stands - the very
> ancient and first =
> "Christians"=3D
> > lived like Jesus - but did not workship Jesus -
> They no longer exist =
> - the=3D
> > y where eradicated by other Christians - that's
> the kind of Christian =
> I wou=3D
> > ld be. I trust GOD to show the ones who kill and
> think its okay for =
> any rea=3D
> > son - the error of their ways - when they die.
> Kinda like which was =
> the pa=3D
> > rt of do not kill - you didn't understand. Becasue
> most people are =
> insecure=3D
> > and worry about being wrong they will argue their
> point - frankly =
> till the=3D
> > y find the need to shoot you. So they glom onto
> defending the right to =
> kill=3D
> > - rather living up to the request not to
> kill.=3D20
> >=20
> > What people are saying here is the hair spliting
> about its okay to =
> kill - i=3D
> > f. I am saying - its not okay to kill - period. If
> you can defend =
> killing s=3D
> > ometimes - then you can defend all the other thou
> shalt nots also - =
> and fra=3D
> > nkly that erodes the entire moral system. Which is
> where we are to =
> today. N=3D
> > ot becasue we weren't given good imperitives but
> because we figure out =
> how =3D
> > to wiggle out of them when they don't fit our
> needs. Morality begins =
> with e=3D
> > ach of us deciding we are going to follow the good
> words or make =
> excuses wh=3D
> > en they are hard to live up to. Ghandi, defeated
> the British - and as =
> far I=3D
> > know - he killed not one person. I am sure God
> loves Ghandi, even if =
> he wa=3D
> > s something other than Christian. Lets face it
> everytime the =
> Christians - a=3D
> > rgue about something - there's another version of
> Christianity born. =
> So to =3D
> > me its not about the beliefs its about whose
> right. Arrogance and =
> pride sho=3D
> > uld be sins becasue they harm.>=20
> >=20
> > As I have said - I am simple - all the hair
> splitting gives me a =
> headache b=3D
> > ecasue it just justifies some one breaking the
> rules becasue they =
> weren't m=3D
> > eant to apply to them or only apply to them. So,
> its much easier to =
> follow =3D
> > - Love is the Law ..... love doesn't kill, love
> doesn't cheat, lie or =
> steal=3D
> > . Love doesn't own a big house or drive a fancy
> car - love is there =
> for eve=3D
> > ryone when they need something - a shirt, a hand a
> meal, a roof. Love =
> is wh=3D
> > at Jesus represented with the way he lived his
> life. I doubt he =
> suffered se=3D
> > lf-delusion, hypocrisy and the need to split hairs
> over his words. The =
> mira=3D
> > cle of Jesus - is that he lived his beliefs, and
> GOD takes care of =
> those -w=3D
> > e glorify the people who live their beliefs like
> that - Mother Teresa, =
> etc.=3D
> > And we fight to the last ditch to be right
> without evelooking at how =
> hypoc=3D
> > ritial we are. The people will defend killing -
> never see the =
> hypocrisy of=3D
> > it - its okay me, when I think its right but its
> wrong for you =
> becasue I s=3D
> > ay so.. Think about what you are defending and
> the endless cycle of =
> death =3D
> > it perpetuates.
> >=20
> > Trisha
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:58 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
>
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