You're right, Mike, although it would seem that Eros is pretty much all we
have left, don't you think?  Philos used to be normative, but I wouldn't go
that far these days.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael H. Collis [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Our Future (WAS:democratic pregnancy)


Kyle, while you won't get an argument with over this, I think philos love is
natural, Agape love is the love which is unnatural, which has to be learned;
Un-SELF-ish love.
Mike (relying on my 4.5 yeays of seminary... lol)

"Cleveland, Kyle E." wrote:

> I was going to get to that eventually, Linda.  The point I wanted to make
is
> that human-kind is not intrinsically good--as most people want to believe,
> but intrinsically bad.  Self-interest is the natural state of all.  Philos
> (Gr: "brotherly love") is something that is taught/learned.  This really
> pisses off the new-agers.  ;>)
>
> -Kyle