kendall, bless you. you said it better than i could
figure out how to say it.
i do not see bush as savior as one of lynda's
neighbor's said. i don't like some of the things he
has did, but, then, i don't disagree with everything
he does either.
by the way, what ever funk my mail was in, it came out
and i am back to being able to read the post again.
--- "Kendall D. Corbett" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head when you said
> "A Christian has to live
> his whole life as a Christian." There are too many
> people with political
> power who portray themselves as Christian who "play
> the Christ card" when
> it's convenient, but don't actually live there lives
> according to the tenets
> of Christianity.
>
> I don't think the US was ever a "Christian Nation,"
> but I think Christianity
> has had as large (if not the largest) an influence
> on most of our political
> leaders as any other
> religious/philosophical/spiritual schema. If these
> people truly lived their faith, there might be less
> discord. On the other
> hand, maybe there'd be more.
>
>
> On 3/16/07, ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > yes, mike. i agree. we do better at challenging
> the
> > nation when we are not dominating. you know it is
> a
> > problem in that we are responsible to participate
> as
> > conscience dictates, but, not to try to dominate.
> i do
> > not know the answer to that problem.
> >
> > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'll say it again, Christianity was never meant
> to
> > > be a national faith.
> > > Because it is, though, we have such instances as
> > > pagan reaming pagan, and
> > > Christian reaming Christian. The sad fact is
> that
> > > when Christianity becomes
> > > the national faith, it tends to dominate; once
> it
> > > dominates, it loses its
> > > self, its mission, and its ability to challenge
> the
> > > status quo.
> > >
> > > It is this inability to challenge the real
> status
> > > quo that I find so
> > > disquieting if not disgusting among some
> > > conservative Christians today. It
> > > is so easy to compartmentalize one's life, to
> say
> > > this, this, and this I'll
> > > let Christianity touch, but not this attitude or
> > > idea. The movie "Breach"
> > > is an example of this. We then have examples
> like
> > > Wilburforce in "Amazing
> > > Grace" who didn't compartmentalize their
> attitudes,
> > > but rather let
> > > Christianity challenge all of them.
> > >
> > > I could go on and on about this. I should know,
> I
> > > was a conservative until
> > > about 10 years ago, when I saw what the
> conservative
> > > movement was doing to
> > > itself. I know consider myself a Christian
> > > independent; with the emphasis on
> > > Christian, not political party.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > > Trisha Cummings
> > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:24 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
> > >
> > > You know Ken,
> > >
> > > The probelm is not that the US isn't a
> Christian
> > > Nation - it is ask =
> > > any non-Christian - they are a better judge of
> the
> > > Christianness than =
> > > any Christain - its that it never your kind of
> > > Christian . And you can =
> > > debate that into obliven - since the Council of
> > > Nicae in 325 AD never =
> > > have Christian come up a universal view - hence
> the
> > > 1500 differents =
> > > versions of Christianity. Several good links
> about
> > > the Council of Nicea =
> > > are
> > >
> http://www.gotquestions.org/Constantine-Bible.html
> > > and =
> > >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
> > > also =
> > > http://www.probe.org/content/view/790/91/
> These
> > > are good educational =
> > > links - I got over my frothing at the mouth
> about
> > > Christianity about the =
> > > time I realzed the probelem is not the
> philosophy
> > > but but the people. I =
> > > just got reamed out for letting Amber read the
> Bible
> > > as a child by a =
> > > Fundementalist Pagan - I spend much time now -
> > > trying for peace and a =
> > > live and let live idea. So there you have it - a
> > > Pagan defending your =
> > > right to your beliefs - Frankly I would ban
> religion
> > > but then people =
> > > would just fight over something else. Poor God -
> his
> > > heart must hurt =
> > > that his children act so silly.
> > >
> > >
> > > Trisha=20
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
> > > Of ken barber
> > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:12 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Another question... (My diatribe)
> > >
> > >
> > > you know i am not going to cuss you out mike.
> your
> > > opinion is as good as anyone else. but, i must
> tell
> > > you i do not view america as a christian nation.
> i
> > > view it as a post christian nation. you are
> right
> > > about it not being christian. i think you are
> wrong
> > > when you say it never was. i think at one time
> it
> > > was.
> > > there are lots of things in our national
> government
> > > that is not christian.=20
> > > Jesus said his kingdom was not earthly and so it
> is
> > > not, but, the prophets do say that there will
> one
> > > day
> > > be an earthly kingdom and predicts Jesus to rule
> > > with
> > > a "rod of iron." that tells me he is not ging to
> put
> > > up with much oposition.=20
> > >
> > > to the non-christians on the list i appologize.
> if
> > > you'd like, i can discuss theology with mike off
> > > list.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This one is rhetorical and I don't expect
> anyone
> > > to
> > > > answer... Since we say
> > > > the U.S. is a CHRISTIAN nation, our leader
> then
> > > > ultimately has to be Jesus,
> > > > right? What then would Jesus have done in the
> > > wake
> > > > of 9/11, as opposed to
> > > > what actually happened? =20
> > > >=20
> > > > My point is this (and Ken, you can cuss me out
> if
> > > > you want), our civic
> > > > religion is basically a mishmash, not
> > > Christianity.=20
>
=== message truncated ===
____________________________________________________________________________________
Looking for earth-friendly autos?
Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
-----------------------
To change your mail settings or leave the C-PALSY list, go here:
http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?SUBED1=c-palsy
|
