basically my mom told me the same thing kat's mom told her, in addition she
said, she was not gonna help me raise a baby if I had one without a
husband. but I looked at it differently. I did not want to bring a child
into the world that I could not support myself. And now at 49, I simply
wouldn't have the energy to care for a young child. And, the thought of a
teenager in the city I live in, well, I'd be a nervous wreck! So, like
Oprah's dog, my two cat kids are my kids.
mag
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Please ask your Congressperson to vote FOR the MICASSA bill, this
will allow medicaid funds to pay for community supports
instead of isolating the person in a nursing home or institution.
HR 910 is the bill number
Senate version of MiCASSA (S 401).
Oakland Mayor's Commission on People with disabilities
~Tamar Mag Raine~
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> [Original Message]
> From: Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 5/11/2005 1:51:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Reproductive freedom
>
> Bobby,
>
> That's what I'm looking for - how widespread is that "backward
> thinking?" I'd hope that as an officially sanctioned state policy, that
> sterilization would be almost impossible, but the act of "putting
> pressure" on people to influence decisions of this type is something
> that needs to be addressed.
>
> "I have heard of cases of disabled persons getting married with a
> stipulation of one or the other parties being sterilized." =20
>
> This is an area that I think would really be worth investigating. =20
>
> When Janet and I were first talking about getting married, I had a
> conversation with my Mom about what went on where she did her nurses
> training, and asked her who made the decisions about which girls would
> be sterilized and which wouldn't, and what criteria were used to make
> that decision. She said she didn't know, but defended the practice. I
> said something that, in retrospect, was pretty cruel: "I hope you're
> not expecting more grandkids." =20
>
> Kendall Corbett
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bobby Greer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:13 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Reproductive freedom
>
> Kat and Kendall,
>
> I am sure people are sterilized through "private" decisions, i.e.,
> parents, relatives; putting pressure on drs and the person sterilized. I
> do
> not know of Boards of Eugenics operating(what a gross pun) today. I have
> heard of cases of disabled persons getting married with a stipulation of
> one
> or the other parties being sterilized. There are folks with some
> backward
> thinking out there.
>
> On a lighter note, When Judy(our adopted daughter) was going through
> a
> multi-discipline evaluation, a social worker inbterviewing Joyce and I
> asked
> which one of us could not have children! I saw no relevance of the
> question
> to the process and reported her to a friend on mine on the staff there.
> She
> caught hell and was almost fired. I thought if she was brazen enough to
> ask
> us that, what would she ask a less sophisticated couple.
>
> Bobby
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.c-palsy
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Reproductive freedom
>
>
> Well, that leaves my history out as this all was back when I was going
> for
> my BA - 1971-1975. (postively ancient, I know!).
>
> As for the victims of the state's eugenics program, they seem to have
> come
> from all segments but mainly the poorer segments of the population,
> institutionalised or not. You can read about it here:
>
> http://againsttheirwill.journalnow.com/
>
> That's the special report my hometown paper did back in 2002.
>
> Kat
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Kendall David Corbett [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:32:34 -0600
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Reproductive freedom
>
>
> Kat,
>
> I'd be most interested in examples since the passage of the ADA (1990),
> and
> especially since the Olmstead Decision (1999). The history is good
> though,
> because it shows areas where resistance is likely to be stronger.
> Unfortunately, from a professional standpoint, I can only approach the
> impact on people with disabilities, although I know it's a huge issue
> for
> women in general.
>
> You said "Both men and women were sterialised for any reason, even for
> 'seeming fast'!" Was this applied to people who weren't part of a
> recognized population, i.e., the general public, or was it limited to
> people in some sort of institutional population (corrections or
> disability
> institutions)?
>
> Kendall Corbett
> Coordinator of Consumer Activities
> Wyoming INstitute for Disabilities - WIND
> College of Health Sciences
> University of Wyoming
> 1000 E. University Avenue, Dept. 4298
> Laramie, WY 82070
> (307) 766-2853
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:17 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Reproductive freedom
>
> How recently are you talking about, Kendall? Because my state -- NC --
> has
> been in the news recently for its eugenics program which lasted well
> into
> the 1970s. Both men and women were sterialised for any reason, even for
> "seeming fast"! Our governor, Mike Easley has made this a major issue
> and
> he apologised on the behalf of the state. It's interesting to note that
> a
> member of staff of the local med school did not show any remorse for his
> role on the board of eugenics (the one that determined who would be
> sterialised).
>
> Personally, I remember that when I was at uni, a younger year student
> who
> had been paralysed in a car crash and was in a wheelchair, got pregnant
> by
> her able-bodied boyfriend. Her parents freaked out, made her get an
> abortion, and she was pulled from the school - all of which made me
> angry
> on her behalf. I remember my parents telling me they didn't want to see
> me
> get pregnant, not because I wouldn't be able to but because if I were an
> unmarried mother, I'd find it very difficult to finish school unmarried
> and
> with a baby (which is good advice in general, not just for disabled
> women).
> In any case, no one ever told me I couldn't get married or have
> children. I
> simply chose not to because I'm not particularly maternal and don't feel
> any need to have children.
>
> Reproductive rights is a very important issue for *all* women, not just
> disabled ones.
>
> Kat
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Kendall David Corbett [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 11:48:58 -0600
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Reproductive freedom
>
>
> The reason I was interested in knowing where and when this happened was
> to find out if it's still going on, or happened recently, and if so, if
> it's education that needs to be undertaken nationally, or if there are a
> few "boneheads" out there that we may never reach. I'm including both
> my sig files in this, because I'm interested both personally and
> professionally. My wife did a presentation at a conference in late
> March where the topic came up, and the consensus seemed to be that while
> there were a few isolated instances of this "advice," in general, it
> wasn't an issue. I'd like to find out if that's true.
>
> Our family doc and Janet's OB/GYN have been very supportive of our
> attempts to start a family.
>
> Kendall Corbett
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
>
> Kendall Corbett
> Coordinator of Consumer Activities
> Wyoming INstitute for Disabilities - WIND
> College of Health Sciences
> University of Wyoming
> 1000 E. University Avenue, Dept. 4298
> Laramie, WY 82070
> (307) 766-2853
> [log in to unmask]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:48 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: new member intro and some well-meant comments...
>
> In a message dated 05/10/2005 16:10:07 Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Mike,
>
> Where are you, and how recently were you told by that "doctor" that you
> should be sterilized? My Mom did her nurses training in the late 40's
> at a University where girls with disabilities (but not boys) were
> routinely sterilized until the 60's. Interestingly enough, my wife, as
> a kid, attended the Hospital School at that same university during the
> summer until she was 12 or so for PT, OT, and Speech because the little
> town she lived in didn't have those services.
>
> Kendall Corbett
>
>
>
> This is what I was replying to. I never had a case manager. I learned
> how
> to do everything on my own.
>
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