well brent, i did finnally address your post after
getting past the neocon thing. there is nothing wrong
with just conservative, moderate, and liberal or
right, center, and left either. i just might
understand the motives that brought about the neocon
term more than you can imagine, but, maybe i do
actually percieve things that have not been there so
i'll just let that drop for now. and just for the
record godwin's law has been used quite a bit on me
too, so lets not be too critical of its use going the
other way. even someone pegged as you had me pegged
can see some things just one too many times. does this
one time cross out all your past obvservations? bobby
can discuss his mothives himself, i will not speak for
him, but, yes, i do consider bobby a buddy, even
though we quite a few times have differing opinions.
if i had known you as many years, i'd say that i
consider you a buddy, and yes, we are actually on the
way and in time will get there.
  i am not actually aware that anybody is any further
than just thinking about running for president right
now. if anyone has actually announced they are
running, i missed it. if frist wants to be president,
he has a long way to go and a heap of things can
happen in nearly 4 years. i can't say that anyone is
an odds on bet right now.
   it is good advice for anyone to do as you have and
do a watertight living will. i'll stress watertight.
think of every situation you can imagine and ask
someone else to help imagine any you might have
missed, and address them specifically. do not assume
anything.
  as far as schivo, i have no problems with any of the
opinions stressed. they are all valid opinions.
   i hope you think i have treated this post with a
great deal of seriousness. i indeed hope i have given
due thought to what i am keying. if i have not fully
addressed each thought, point the ommissions out and
i'll give it a try.

--- Brent Edwards <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Three (perhaps four?) years ago, I discovered this
> mailing list. Shortly
> thereafter I inadvertently crossed some of your
> invisible lines and was
> promptly vilified by many of the (then) current
> posters. (There were a LOT
> more in those days.)
>
> Some of the people who reacted to my unwelcome level
> of personal honesty
> eventually apologized, everyone made nice and the
> incident faded. But I
> stopped posting here regularly and still do not.
> However I have rarely
> responded to the odd item I found interesting or to
> the occasional call for
> help that I felt I could contribute to.
>
> I never would have even been reading the Shiavo
> coverage if it were not for
> the discussion I was reading on this list. I find
> such stories to be
> ludicrous tabloid journalism usually. I have no
> sympathy for any of the
> players. (I have a legally watertight living will
> and ALL my family members
> know my wishes.)
>
> But because of what I was reading here, I began to
> scan some of the coverage
> on the news sites. When I came across the laughable
> statement from Frist, I
> thought (and still do) that it would be of interest
> to a freakin' CEREBRAL
> PALSY mailing list. I threw in the comment about
> neocons ONLY because Frist
> is running for president, and I personally (along
> with I'm sure a lot of
> other folks here who are now NOT going to speak up)
> find that a bit scary.
>
> Then along comes Ken Barber, Mailing List Regular,
> who takes umbrage with my
> use of a term that he obviously doesn't understand.
> Not only does he take
> offense at a non-existent slur, he adopts that "oh
> you are so funny" brand
> of condescension that is the hallmark of the
> ill-informed. He then goes on
> to immediately violate Godwin's Law, therefore
> shutting down any rational
> debate. Ken: I've even communicated off list with
> you about trying to
> diagnose computer problems in the past. Why on earth
> would you think I was
> aiming anything at you? Until this, I had you pegged
> as a reasonably decent
> guy who had been through some really rough times
> lately.
>
> I had relatively little idea of where any of you
> even fell on the
> liberal-conservative axis. I was generically
> addressing those of you who may
> have the opportunity to vote against Frist in a
> primary. Why the hell would
> I insult folks whom I trying to persuade?
>
> Oh and by the way, to Bobby who came running to
> defend his buddy Ken: I am
> quite well aware that "idiot" and "moron" were once
> "technical" terms for
> describing the relative severity of mental
> retardation. However those usages
> fell away YEARS ago, replaced by far more colloquial
> definitions. I would
> think someone with a PhD. should have known that.
>
> Y'all really need to get over yourselves.
>
> Brent
>

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