Who said agape love was normative?  I would consider agape to be unnormative.
The love of people in community is phileo love, and that is where our
"Nationalism"  such as it is, comes from.  "Scr*w Iraq, let's fight them
m*****-f*****'s for our oil."

I have one other thing to say.  The United States wasn't, is not now, and never
will be a Christian nation; a religious nation, perhaps. The term  Christian
Nation is an oxymoron, and Jesus had the sharpest rebuke to those who said G-d
was on this or that side.
Mike

"Cleveland, Kyle E." wrote:

> Agree with your defs, but I never would have considered Agape normative.
> What I'm saying is that even "family love" is on the rocks and the exception
> to the rule in the rich West.
>
> -Kyle
>