when i made the remark about arrogance, i was not
reffering to you personally peter, i was refering to
mankind and science in general. 

history is full of instances where we thought we had
all the answers and had something well in hand only to
have mother nature come around and kick our ideas into
the dustbins of history. 

that i one one the thinks that concerns me about
genetic engineering. it is doing lots og good, but, i
am concerned that when we least expect it we are going
to get something we never intended to get. 

anyway if i offended, i did not intend to do so. 
--- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> i'd say that the statment that we understand the
> contribution of all the randomness of nature is
> "simply not true" and further would call it very
> arogant to think it even is close to being true. 
> 
> --- Peter Hunsberger <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > No, thats simply not true.  We do understand the
> > contribution of the all the
> > randomness of nature.  Mankind has simply pushed
> > nature past the point were
> > all the natural mechanisms for compensating for
> > things like volcanoes can
> > adapt to the additional changes we are
> introducing. 
> > Perhaps the most
> > concise explanation of the various contributions
> to
> > climate change I've
> > found is the chart found here:
> > 
> >
>
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=A1E03678-E7F2-99DF-349533FA77189693&sc=I100322
> > 
> > (click on the image to get an enlarged version).
> > 
> > Volcanoes aren't shown in that image simply
> because
> > they don't contribute
> > enough.
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/6/07, Michael H. Collis <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Pardon me, Peter, but you're forgetting one
> thing:
> > the randomness of
> > > nature.  If the Indonesian volcano blows it's
> top
> > like it did right before
> > > the "Little Ice Age" we might be heading into
> > winter, not summer. We don't
> > > know if or when nature will rear up and bite us
> in
> > the butt.  I do think
> > > mankind has had a detrimental effect on nature,
> > but I don't think it's as
> > > big as some think.
> > >
> > >
> > -- 
> > Peter Hunsberger
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