well, trish if someone is going to kill me, and i kill
him instead, i don't really think that if his family
came after me that i'd be any worse off than had i let
him kill me, i'd just be dead a little later. you are
anti death penalty too. i think the government is
ordained to carry out executions amung other things.
--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> HI Ken,
>
> Hope you had good weekend.
>
> Yes, I am saying killing is killing - and no
> matter what justification =
> you use, it is wrong. I certainly understand killing
> in self-denfense or =
> in protection of ones child - I still will not say
> it is right, and if =
> it is then so is euthansia and abortion, etc. And
> this where we differ - =
> you are saying some killing is okay - and I am
> saying its never - okay. =
> I don't obey the 10 commandments - I follow the "An
> It Harm None" - Law. =
> This takes killing out of the good/bad category. It
> places it the must =
> think about the whole - cause and effect thing. If I
> kill someone - even =
> justifiable, I can cause a great deal of harm -
> perhaps - that now dead =
> persons family - is an eye for eye type - and they
> come back and kill me =
> - or one of mine - and here we go on the "war" type
> wagon - so where =
> does the justifable killing end. In most of the hot
> spots in the world =
> these people have been eradicating each other for
> centuries, and will =
> continue to. That's what justifing killing does.
> Killing is counter =
> productive to the species survival needs. You will
> notice - most animals =
> do not wage war on each other. There are no tiger
> armies taking on other =
> tiger armies. We can stand to learn a bit from the
> "beasties". The 2 top =
> predators on the planet - are us and the sharks and
> they are loosing to =
> us. It is time to learn to tame the
> predator/fight/flight instincts =
> before we eradicate all life here - we no longer
> surcome to massive =
> disease epidemitics - so its time to put the grey
> matter to work. This =
> planet is the Garden of Eden - and we can put it
> back there.
>
> Trisha
>
>
> > you were not saying anything about sacrificing
> your
> > self, you were saying "killing is killing" after
> kat
> > basically ask if you'd kill to protect "amy"
> (amber).
> > in addittion to being willing to kill if i had a
> > weapon, i too would sacrifice myself. but that
> wasn't
> > what i percieved you to be saying.
> > i might not have any more chance of winning the
> > fight than you. i guess both our bodies are pretty
> > well worn out. i once was stronger, but, the years
> > have taken their toll.
> > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > You have better chance against a man than I
> do -
> > > my object would be =3D
> > > to give them time to get away. I am all of 4'10"
> > > tall and 50 years old, =3D
> > > not to mention - kinda disabled around the
> corners.
> > > And to tell you =3D
> > > turth - all this is hypothetical - what would
> really
> > > happened - would =3D
> > > only be known - if this happened. And I could
> > > actually skip that - =3D
> > > thanks........ What we discussing is everyone
> > > assuming they will know =3D
> > > how they will act. Sometimes we just don't act
> that
> > > way in an emergency.
> > >
> > >
> > > Trisha
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ken barber [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:31 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
> > > >=3D20
> > > > call it spitting hair or whatever you like,
> you'd
> > > like
> > > > it to be just that simple, but, it is not.
> self
> > > > defense is not murder. protecting ones family
> is
> > > not
> > > > murder. stopping a murderer from continueing
> to
> > > > murder. sorrry, but your view is simply
> > > simplistic,
> > > > but, if you can live with it then it is your
> right
> > > to
> > > > have it. but, if my kid was killed and i could
> > > have
> > > > stopped it, then i am deserving of all the
> > > disrespect
> > > > in the world. if my wife and children were in
> > > danger,
> > > > i'd kill in a heartbeat to save them. and i
> can
> > > > certainly live with that view.
> > > >=3D20
> > > > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't split hairs - it is killing is
> > > killing -
> > > > > period. When you try =3D3D
> > > > > to define the killing that's okay - you
> start a
> > > > > whole new round of =3D3D>=20
> > > > > killing. I do not care what it is - or how
> far
> > > along
> > > > > in life it is - if =3D3D
> > > > > you deprive it of life - you killed/murder
> it.
> > > > > People spend all this =3D3D
> > > > > time splitting hairson what and when it is
> okay
> > > to
> > > > > kill. The answer - =3D3D
> > > > > nothing and never. This is why - no matter
> how
> > > much
> > > > > I love and honor =3D3D
> > > > > Jesus - I will be a follower of his believe
> > > system
> > > > > as it stands - the =3D3D
> > > > > very ancient and first "Christians" lived
> like
> > > Jesus
> > > > > - but did not =3D3D
> > > > > workship Jesus - They no longer exist - they
> > > where
> > > > > eradicated by other =3D3D
> > > > > Christians - that's the kind of Christian I
> > > would
> > > > > be. I trust GOD to =3D3D
> > > > > show the ones who kill and think its okay
> for
> > > any
> > > > > reason - the error of =3D3D
> > > > > their ways - when they die. Kinda like
> which
> > > was
> > > > > the part of do not =3D3D
> > > > > kill - you didn't understand. Becasue most
> > > people
> > > > > are insecure and worry =3D3D
> > > > > about being wrong they will argue their
> point -
> > > > > frankly till they find =3D3D
> > > > > the need to shoot you. So they glom onto
> > > defending
> > > > > the right to kill - =3D3D
> > > > > rather living up to the request not to
> > > kill.=3D3D20
> > > > >
> > > > > What people are saying here is the hair
> spliting
> > > > > about its okay to kill =3D3D
> > > > > - if. I am saying - its not okay to kill -
> > > period.
> > > > > If you can defend =3D3D
> > > > > killing sometimes - then you can defend all
> the
> > > > > other thou shalt nots =3D3D
> > > > > also - and frankly that erodes the entire
> moral
> > > > > system. Which is where =3D3D
> > > > > we are to today. Not becasue we weren't
> given
> > > good
> > > > > imperitives but =3D3D
> > > > > because we figure out how to wiggle out of
> them
> > > when
> > > > > they don't fit our =3D3D
> > > > > needs. Morality begins with each of us
> deciding
>
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