the average salary at wal-mart is just a bit over 10
an hour. as is casiers at publix. i do not know the
averages in many places. i know many union contracts
are worder with a clause of "not less than x number of
times the minimun wage" so it would help lots of
people, but, in honesty many at the bottom would lose
their jobs in order to pay the ones to stay. it would
in the long run cause some inflation. however it might
be better to pay the higher wages and not have higher
taxes as a trade off to hold inflation down. not raise
interest rates as they always try to do. like i said,
i'd not cry big tears if the minimum was raised. 

--- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Also, don't forget that large corporations can use
> the minimum wage  
> to keep their salaries low - WalMart is the best
> example I can think of.
> 
> Kat	
> 
> 
> On 23 Oct 2006, at 01:11, Tamar Raine wrote:
> 
> Ken, I can see France and Spain... but not Belgium
> or the Netherlands...
> And I think you're right about the west and
> southwest becoming a Mexican
> territory again, the demographics are sure in the
> favor.
> 
> People always say the minimum wage was never meant
> to be a living  
> wage, it
> was supposed to be a starting wage for high
> schoolers and then they were
> supposed to climb the rungs of the employment
> ladder... the only  
> problem,
> is that small businesses tend to keep people on min.
> wage as long as
> they'll put up with it.  for instance, the supported
> living agency that
> helps me, tends to pay about 10.00 per hour plus
> tiny, tiny 50 cent  
> raises
> if a person gets good reviews. after eight years
> that's got to be
> frustrating for my one helper who completed her
> master's degree a  
> year ago.
> She has begun to look for work in public
> administration. The agency  
> offered
> her a job as co-director, but that means no overtime
> at 45,000 a  
> year, and
> you get called out at all hours. She says that's not
> enough compensation
> for her in her early 40's. It's a good job for mid
> 20's to mid  
> thirties.  I
> am lucky to have had angie so long, other clients
> are always looking for
> new workers. On the other hand, other clients have
> behaviorial  
> challenges
> that I don't. (though god forbid I forget to say
> could you and please  
> once
> in a while) anyway, I think more pay could help keep
> workers happier in
> their job.  100 clients and just about as many
> workers now with the  
> agency.
> It's a mid sized biz now, I guess.
> hugs to my favorite conservative,
> Mag
> 
> Tamar Raine
> [log in to unmask]
> Now serving tee shirts! and soon to come, Maui
> posters and other items;
> www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 10/22/2006 7:16:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
> quickly    and some  
> > points
> the dems are right on
> >
> >>
> >> yes, it is ironic.
> >>
> >>
> >> you know i know i am the list's right wing nut,
> but
> >> i
> >> know that the dems are not totally wrong on every
> >> thing.
> >>
> >> i'll admit the war is not going well and not as
> >> planned. no war goes as planned. if they did
> there
> >> would never be a vitorious side. both sides have
> >> plans, things go wrong and things have to be
> >> changed.
> >> right now, i just don't know what plans the dems
> >> have
> >> other than get out no matter what.
> >>
> >> i'll even go as far as to say if every body knew
> >> back
> >> at the beginning what we know now instead of what
> >> everyone thought they knew, we might have not
> even
> >> had
> >> theresolution that congress passed for the
> >> president.
> >> hindsite is 20-20. but the "bush lied, people
> died"
> >> approch is simplistic and disingenuous.
> >>
> >> as good as the ecconomy is, the minimum wage
> raise
> >> promised by the dems would help my son and in
> turn
> >> help me initially. a couple of years further and
> the
> >> inflation it would cause would begin to take it
> >> back,
> >> but, maybe i'd be better off finacially then to
> face
> >> the inflation. of course he'd have to work harder
> to
> >> make up for the fact that newly hired people
> would
> >> be
> >> laid off because to pay for the raises of those
> that
> >> stayed. but he's been there long enough to be
> safe.
> >> so, while i'd not vote to hurt others to help
> >> myself,
> >> i'd not cry big tears if the minmum wage was
> raised.
> >>
> >>
> >> just to get you more proof of my nuttiness as if
> you
> >> think you need it, i think in the future france,
> >> belgium, the netherlands and spain will likely be
> >> muslim countries. no revolution, just
> demografics.
> >>
> >> possibly texas, new mexico, arizona, california,
> and
> >> at least part of colorado will be northern states
> of
> >> mexico or an independant latin american republic.
> >> not
> >> in my life time, but, in my grandchildrens
> lifetime.
> >> the trends could be reversed, but, i do not think
> >> they
> >> will be.
> >>
> >> so now you know i am totally crazy. or am i?
> >>
> >> --- Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Of course, Jihad thinks it is getting rid of all
> >> the
> >>> infidels, and the
> >>> Nazis were trying to get rid of everybody who
> >> wasn't
> >>> pure. ironic, isn't it?
> >>>
> >>> Mag
> >>>
> >>> Tamar Raine
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>> Now serving tee shirts! and soon to come, Maui
> >>> posters and other items;
> >>> www.cafepress.com/tamarmag
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> [Original Message]
> >>>> From: Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> Date: 10/22/2006 4:50:09 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
> >>> quickly
> >>>>
> >>>> The last Japanese soldier came out from hiding
> >> 20
> >>> years ago I think. The
> >>> war
> >>>> for him ended that day.  There were holdouts,
> of
> >>> course.  See:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/germany-iran.htm
> >>>  but it is
> >>> disputed
> >>>> as to how many similarities there are between
> >> Iraq
> >>> and Germany.  I guess
> 
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