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a very long disertation to camafloge and answer that
is a 180 degree oposite what is really going on. 

--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> HI Mike,
> 
>   Its good red herring - you then have to defend why
> you are a good American, which gets away from the
> topic you are actually trying to get attention on.
> It like the prosecutor asking "So when was the last
> time you beat your wife?" You are instantly already
> in the wrong. rarely can one have a discussion where
> differences are the topic and someone not employ one
> or the 13 fallacies of logic - which draw the
> attention from the topic to the individual. It is
> actually being a good American to question the
> Status Quo, but its not being a good team player nor
> does questioning authority ever go over well with
> authority especially insecure authority. While we
> have great a constitution and it tries hard to
> protect from ourselves, it is can only work as long
> as everyone is a thinking being, and not just a
> blind follower. Jefferson mandated education because
> he felt educated people made better decisions, where
> more successful at business. The problem being that
> thinking goes the way of the Dodo once emotionally
> charged persuasive rhetoric and events co-inside to
> create a "common evil" even if the evil is more our
> imagination than reality. We need to fear ourselves
> much more than any terrorist. They killed roughly
> 3,000 and so far we have more than in war fatalities
> and over 20,000 injuries. We have done a much better
> number on ourselves than they could have ever hoped
> to. Plus we have lost any standing in the world as a
> leader - and any ground gained as a 1st world nation
> - real problems are on the back burner or under the
> rug - and we are rapidly spiraling into becoming a
> 3rd world country. Yet here we are carefully divided
> in groups so we have no power, Christians vs. Every
> other Religion, Democratic vs. Republicans, Rich vs.
> poor, able-bodied vs. disabled, white vs. everything
> other ethnicity - United we Stand - Divided we fall.
> We have fallen and only a miracle can reverse the
> damage now. The enemy is never without - the enemy
> is within. We have always been loosely united by
> causes - usually external - but now we have no great
> external cause to create unity. The War on make
> believe Terrorism isn't it. I believe those folks
> hate us - with cause and would love to do us damages
> - if they could. But how? By preying on our
> weaknesses. Its not hard now - everyone here hates
> everyone else and feels used and cheated they don't
> have everything they want - after all the
> Constitution doesn't promise us a good life but does
> establish the following.
> 
> "We the People of the United States, in Order to
> form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure
> domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
> defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the
> Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,
> do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
> United States of America."
> 
> And the Declaration of Independence states - "We
> hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men
> are created equal, that they are endowed by their
> Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
> these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
> Happiness."
> 
> Neither document insures that everyone will have
> everything they want - only the chance to go for it.
> Over the years we have radically changed from a
> frontier nation to a "civilized" nation. People
> today have nice lives and some folks live in
> horrendous excess. We have a highly visible - highly
> technical press that beats each other to the bad
> stuff, and stuffs it down our throats 24/7. This
> wasn't so in the past. If the press where as
> motivated to seeking out good and things that better
> our society we would be happier but they focus on
> the Oh My God stuff - because at some level we all
> give into that base instinct  to stare at the
> accident, gloat over someone else's misfortune, etc.
>  As individuals we all have an impact on not only
> our lives but the lives around us and society. We
> chose the groups we line up with and our attitudes.
> To many people lined up with the wrong idea and its
> now a run away train. I wish I had an answer to the
> problems, I truly do. But it would take people
> taking a truly hard look at themselves and accepting
> responsibility and accountability at every level -
> right to how we ourselves run our lives - I
> certainly can't handle money, and I thought if I
> just made enough it would work - no learning to
> handle what I have would work. That sad fact about
> my budget - no doubt what is and works not only at
> my house and some of your houses but is also at the
> county level, the city level the state level and the
> country level. Its not the government - its the
> individuals and the flaws and the forging together
> of these on ever higher group levels that we need to
> solve. 
> 
> We are like alcoholics always having the bottle to
> blame and never seeing its our choice to drink. Some
> of this is instinctive - The I didn't do it -
> reflex. WE need to get over this. This is the
> ruination of us - not the myriad of things we lay
> the blame on. What is the problem - not who is at
> fault - what is the problem, and how can we fix it.
> We so busy whining, complaining and finger pointing
> we never get around to solving the problem and we
> attack those who do - back to "being a questioned as
> a Good American". Its the endless putting out little
> fires and never seeking the source - so you will put
> out fires till doomsday until you address the
> source.
> 
>                                     Trisha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
> Of Mike Collis
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 6:39 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: I have a question
> 
> 
> Why is it that one's patriotism is called into
> question when one questions
> or disagrees with the status quo now? 
> 
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