i fall way short. i would like to be the man my dog
thinks i am.
--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Again Ken,
>
> I view religions from a point of logic -
> and to that end none =
> of them make sense. But each is step hopefully to a
> kinder more loving =
> set of people. The people many times really mean
> well but we ain't Gods =
> - so even our best falls short. We shouldn't argue
> that but accept it =
> and try to be better. As a child I glommed on to
> thou shalt not kill. I =
> even carry the bugs back out of the house -
> ridiculous - yes but I keep =
> that commandment - my soul grieves for the roaches
> and fleas and =
> misquitos I begrudging kill. I can not reconcil
> killing in way. I =
> apologize to the Goddess for killing her children
> when I do. And I know =
> I know I have thousands of bugs souls on my soul.
> and that sounds silly =
> to you. But I can't replace their lives and I feel
> guilty and bad - I =
> have violated the Thou shalt not kill. Hey can I do
> guilt well - I shuld =
> be Catholic - GRIN
>
> Trisha
>
> > well, trish you are right, godless and barbaric
> are
> > not equal.
> >=20
> > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Hi Ken,
> > >
> > > That was more a comment against the godless
> > > Romans - one doesn't have =3D
> > > to be Godless to be barbaric.
> > >
> > > Trisha
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ken barber [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:46 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: religion and politics
> > > (long-ish); was RE: Brother in Law
> > > >=3D20
> > > > there has been many atrosities committed in
> the
> > > name
> > > > of G-d that he had nothing to do with it.
> > > >=3D20
> > > > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > Oh Kyle,
> > > > >
> > > > > I love it, when you get into the fray.
> The
> > > only
> > > > > correction I would =3D3D
> > > > > add - The Romans were not godless, they had
> a
> > > > > pantheon of Gods - they =3D3D
> > > > > where no different than any of the other
> ancient
> > > > > civilizations - we =3D3D
> > > > > can't judge those civilizations with our
> morals
> > > - it
> > > > > took building on =3D3D
> > > > > those societies to get where we are today.
> And
> > > if do
> > > > > - then we need to =3D3D
> > > > > remember - the Burning tImes and the Spanish
> > > > > Inquistion - no one gets =3D3D
> > > > > away scot free - despite everything we know
> - we
> > > > > still don't really act =3D3D
> > > > > like civilized people. We just have a
> slightly
> > > > > higher level of barberism =3D3D
> > > > > today.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> Trisha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Trisha Cummings, Data Analyst =3D3D20
> > > > > Synectics For Management Decisions, Inc
> > > > > 1901 North Moore Street, Suite 900
> > > > > Arlington, Virginia 22209
> > > > > Ph# 703-807-2345
> > > > > Fax 703-528-6421
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > What gets me is that many conservative
> > > Christians
> > > > > (which describes ME =3D3D
> > > > > in
> > > > > > only in basic theology) feel that the US
> > > should
> > > > > be/was a theocracy. =3D3D
> > > > > If they
> > > > > > would only read the teachings of the
> > > individual
> > > > > they purport to
> > > > > > follow--Jesus--they would understand that
> the
> > > > > biblical theocracy only =3D3D
> > > > > went
> > > > > > as far as Israel (ex. Mt 22:15-22, the
> entire
> > > > > chapter of Acts 28).
> > > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > > In the New Testament, the church is not
> > > expected
> > > > > to function as a =3D3D
> > > > > nation
> > > > > > state. On the contrary, the program is
> clearly
> > > > > different as witnessed =3D3D
> > > > > by the
> > > > > > call to submit to, and obey the Roman
> > > > > government--one of the most =3D3D
> > > > > godless
> > > > > > and brutal governments in history. (Rom.
> 13:1)
> > > The
> > > > > New Testament is =3D3D
> > > > > devoid
> > > > > > of any call to take over society or to run
> > > society
> > > > > God's way. =3D3D
> > > > > Unfortunately,
> > > > > > many Bible interpreters continue to read
> the
> > > > > Covenantal promises and
> > > > > > warnings addressed to Israel in the
> Old>=20
> > > Testament
> > > > > as though they apply
> > > > > > either to the church, or to the United
> States
> > > (or
> > > > > other countries).
> > > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > > A very common example of this confusion is
> the
> > > > > often quoted passage in =3D3D
> > > > > 2
> > > > > > Chronicles 7:13 "If I shut up the heavens
> so
> > > that
> > > > > there is no rain, or =3D3D
> > > > > if I
> > > > > > command the locust to devour the land, or
> if I
> > > > > send pestilence among =3D3D
> > > > > My
> > > > > > people, and My people who are called by My
> > > name
> > > > > humble themselves and =3D3D
> > > > > pray,
> > > > > > and seek My face and turn from their
> wicked
> > > ways,
> > > > > then I will hear =3D3D
> > > > > from
> > > > > > heaven, will forgive their sin, and will
> heal
> > > > > their land." It is a =3D3D
> > > > > mistake
> > > > > > to apply this passage to the United
> States? It
> > > > > refers to the
> > > > > > cursing/blessing section in the book of
> > > > > Deuteronomy. The people who =3D3D
> > > > > are
> > > > > > called by God's name are Israel. There is
> in
> > > fact
> > > > > no such promise =3D3D
> > > > > extended
> > > > > > to other countries.
> > > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > > One qualification is needed on this point.
> In
> > > the
> > > > > ancient world, there =3D3D
> > > > > was
> > > > > > no opportunity to vote on government
> issues or
> > > > > candidates. We do not =3D3D
> > > > > know
> > > > > > what God would have said if there was.
> > > Probably, a
>
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