call it spitting hair or whatever you like, you'd like
it to be just that simple, but, it is not. self
defense is not murder. protecting ones family is not
murder. stopping a murderer from continueing to
murder. sorrry, but your view is simply simplistic,
but, if you can live with it then it is your right to
have it. but, if my kid was killed and i could have
stopped it, then i am deserving of all the disrespect
in the world. if my wife and children were in danger,
i'd kill in a heartbeat to save them. and i can
certainly live with that view.
--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> I don't split hairs - it is killing is killing -
> period. When you try =
> to define the killing that's okay - you start a
> whole new round of =
> killing. I do not care what it is - or how far along
> in life it is - if =
> you deprive it of life - you killed/murder it.
> People spend all this =
> time splitting hairson what and when it is okay to
> kill. The answer - =
> nothing and never. This is why - no matter how much
> I love and honor =
> Jesus - I will be a follower of his believe system
> as it stands - the =
> very ancient and first "Christians" lived like Jesus
> - but did not =
> workship Jesus - They no longer exist - they where
> eradicated by other =
> Christians - that's the kind of Christian I would
> be. I trust GOD to =
> show the ones who kill and think its okay for any
> reason - the error of =
> their ways - when they die. Kinda like which was
> the part of do not =
> kill - you didn't understand. Becasue most people
> are insecure and worry =
> about being wrong they will argue their point -
> frankly till they find =
> the need to shoot you. So they glom onto defending
> the right to kill - =
> rather living up to the request not to kill.=20
>
> What people are saying here is the hair spliting
> about its okay to kill =
> - if. I am saying - its not okay to kill - period.
> If you can defend =
> killing sometimes - then you can defend all the
> other thou shalt nots =
> also - and frankly that erodes the entire moral
> system. Which is where =
> we are to today. Not becasue we weren't given good
> imperitives but =
> because we figure out how to wiggle out of them when
> they don't fit our =
> needs. Morality begins with each of us deciding we
> are going to follow =
> the good words or make excuses when they are hard to
> live up to. Ghandi, =
> defeated the British - and as far I know - he killed
> not one person. I =
> am sure God loves Ghandi, even if he was something
> other than Christian. =
> Lets face it everytime the Christians - argue about
> something - there's =
> another version of Christianity born. So to me its
> not about the beliefs =
> its about whose right. Arrogance and pride should be
> sins becasue they =
> harm.
>
> As I have said - I am simple - all the hair
> splitting gives me a =
> headache becasue it just justifies some one breaking
> the rules becasue =
> they weren't meant to apply to them or only apply to
> them. So, its much =
> easier to follow - Love is the Law ..... love
> doesn't kill, love doesn't =
> cheat, lie or steal. Love doesn't own a big house or
> drive a fancy car - =
> love is there for everyone when they need something
> - a shirt, a hand a =
> meal, a roof. Love is what Jesus represented with
> the way he lived his =
> life. I doubt he suffered self-delusion, hypocrisy
> and the need to split =
> hairs over his words. The miracle of Jesus - is that
> he lived his =
> beliefs, and GOD takes care of those -we glorify the
> people who live =
> their beliefs like that - Mother Teresa, etc. And we
> fight to the last =
> ditch to be right without evelooking at how
> hypocritial we are. The =
> people will defend killing - never see the
> hypocrisy of it - its okay =
> me, when I think its right but its wrong for you
> becasue I say so.. =
> Think about what you are defending and the endless
> cycle of death it =
> perpetuates.
>
> Trisha
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ken barber [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:58 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
> >=20
> > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > killing is murder - whether you kill one or a
> > > million.
> >=20
> >=20
> > except when you kill a perfectly viable baby and
> call
> > it a fetus.
> >=20
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