I basically agree with you.  My tease and concern was not that your report
was colored but limited by "point of view."  Wanted more information from
you and you delivered.

"Point of view," and our ability to see others makes for a huge part of the
fun and folly of being human.

Steve

From: "Kyle E. Cleveland" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ADAPT (Formerly ADAPT Secures...)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:39:43 -0500


Bravo, Steve!  Thanks for clarifying my post.  Yes, I'm sure my report
was
"colored" by the fact that I was aggravated by being inconvenienced.

The local media did, in fact, cover the affair and were quite
sympathetic to
ADAPT's message.  I was very concerned when I saw one of the local
network
affiliate's news cameras trained on a scuffle between a PWD and "the
law".
I figured the focus of the story would be something like "crazy crips
cripple capitol in Columbus", but it was measured coverage.  The ADAPT
spokesperson's comments were well edited and not so emotional as to
cloud
their message.

I guess my objections were directed at the strident voice of the news
release.  One would think from the reading that there was a military
style
assault on a group of defenseless, peaceful protesters.  If I read that
and
hadn't been there, I would have been incensed--ADAPT's goal met!

It boils down to this:  No matter how noble the cause, tell the truth.
If
ADAPT (or any group/individual) exagerates their experience as victims,
sooner or later the "truth will out" and credibility is diminished.

BTW, the main reason that the police were "involved" was that the group
refused to leave the building after normal shutdown time.  We've had
some
problems with security threats in several of our government buildings
and
the policy is that if you are not supposed to be there after a certain
time
of day, you leave.  Employees included.  I value my own skin as much as
I
respect the right of peaceful protest, so I concur with the idea behind
this
policy.

Yes, others did get to take the rest of the day off.  I work in another
building and was trying to LEAVE that building from lunch, so no, I had
to
finish the day.

-Kyle

-----Original Message-----
From: I. STEPHEN MARGOLIS [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: ADAPT (Formerly ADAPT Secures...)


I am not going to defend ADAPT's actions, per se.  I am not a member, do
not
intend to be, have no role with them.  I forward their posts to this
group
because I receive them, find them interesting, usually informative, and
expect people in this group are sufficiently capable of finding their
delete
button or otherwise able to make up their brilliant minds about what
they
read.

I dislike what I see as a trend toward slander and a rush to judgment
and
opinions absent facts.  Kyle expressed his observations, ADAPT theirs.
I am
glad Kyle can distinguish sleet from snow and knows the names of
buildings
in Cleveland.  In the melee, confusion, and time lags between events and
reports it seems reasonable that inaccuracies occurred in what ADAPT
reported.  Did ADAPT intentionally propagandize, who knows really?,
probably
they did.

I like Kyle.  He knows that.  I admire his intelligence and his
writings.  I
surely don't always agree with him.  I wonder if he got the rest of his
day
off when he couldn't get into his workplace?  I don't suppose he joined
the
demonstration?  What I'm teasing about is that Kyle's report was slanted
by
his point of view.  We know him and like him so we side with him.

Now if ADAPT is using lies and propaganda I don't think that hurts the
disability movement, that hurts ADAPT and undermines their credibility.
We
here can decide for ourselves the merits of their statements.  In that
sense
we are fortunate that Kyle was present, as he claims, and gave us an
alternative view.

I don't usually like ADAPT'S methods or agree with their positions.  But
I
give them credit for acting on their principles and beliefs.  They do
advocate for the most neglected and abused of us.  They put their
disabled
bodies on the line while others of us watch.  They might look at us and
say
"Talk is cheap."  They may think we're privileged, snobs, or cowards for
not
being with them.  (I think we're sensible for not wanting to get hurt.)

Now I believe each of us serves the cause of advocacy and many are the
ways
to get results.  I also believe there are many levels of truth and
motives
behind human actions and words.  I also believe that people can be
sinister,
nasty, and petty; hide maliciousness behind smiles, hurt instead of
heal,
punish where they can't persuade.

I am glad to see Betty kept her word and got to the Fair Housing
Hearing.  I
am looking forward to a substantive report.

Steve M.


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