Well, yeah, Moses was to have authored the Torah/Pentatuch, so the Genesis
account would have been written by a non-contemporary, though all three
major religions--Islam, Christianity and Judaism--have no argument.  I think
some of the most compelling arguments for the validity of Judaism and
Christianity come from the major prophets Isaiah and Daniel (spec. Isaiah 53
and Daniel 9).  These two books have been correctly dated by "third party"
means, yet refer to events hundreds of years later that are also verifiable
by contemporary (to that time) secular Roman & Greek historians.  That said,
I think we can both understand that neither of us is apt to change the
other's view, regardless of the "evidence" presented.  In fact, Jesus
himself tells his followers not to be heavy-handed and "pushy" when it comes
to delivering the message of Christianity (Matthew 10:14, et al).

I am curious, though, if you say you are referring to the same "early
followers" as I, then shouldn't we be in agreement as to the Christian
message being completely warped by 200 AD?   As Ken said, the "church" as it
existed when Martin Luther nailed his love note to the door at Whittenburg
(and as it exists now), bears no similarity to the church described by Luke
in the historical account "Acts".

As for how I'm doing otherwise...not well.  Physical therapy (stretching,
hot water stretch, deep-tissue massage) seems to be precipitating more
spasms that relieving them.  Frustrating.

-----Original Message-----
From: Trisha Cummings [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:58 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: religion and politics (long-ish); was RE: Brother in Law


Hi Kyle,

    Oral history is what they had - 6,000 years ago. The Jews have been
around I believe they are in year  5764. At some point they existed before
writing. Have Mag date the Torah and other Jewish books for you - but I am
fairly sure there was a time when they were oral, and then became recorded.
Kyle, I am okay talking about this - hopefully people aren't offended by
differing points from which to view things.

  I believe the early followers I was talking about where already
exterminated by 200 CE

By the way - how are doing these days?

                                     Trisha