On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, ken barber wrote:

> gary, did you know you are replying only to me and not
> the list?

Maby not Ken.  I also got Gary's post.

Take care all-Gary

> --- Gary Norris Gray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> this is a travisty for the american people
>> i thought nixon and reagan were bad but this guy is
>> just
>> awful
>>
>> President Bush is very Dangerous
>>
>> This past month has been disastrous for the American
>> people and the Bush Administration.
>>
>> This war is worst than the Viet Nam War.
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>> This is worse because we are creating enemies of our
>> friends. Germany and France to just name a few. The
>> current American Middle East foreign policies have
>> turned conservative Islamic states against
>> Americans. Malaysia, Singapore, Saudi Arabia,
>> Indonesia, and Pakistan use to be friendly Islamic
>> States but with America’s insistence of going to war
>> alone in Iraq, these states are changing their
>> collective minds.
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>>
>> This is worse because is slowly becoming a religious
>> war something that never should have happen.
>> President Bush has denied this time and time again
>> but it seems that President Bush has insulted the
>> whole Islamic world by calling the invasion of Iraq
>> " The Crusades". President Bush later changed the
>> spring military action to "Operation Freedom", after
>> the firestorm of criticism hit the American capitol,
>> Washington D. C.
>>
>> This is worse because nobody will ever trust America
>> again. No country will ask for our assistance
>> because they fear Americans and also fear that
>> Americas will interfere in their internal affairs.
>> Countries will fear that they will have to conform
>> or compromise their standards and will be compelled
>> to conform to the American political, social, and
>> economic will.
>>
>> What a sorrowful and needless nightmare.
>>
>> We are the land of the free, home of the brave, yet
>> we are disgraced because of the recent incidents in
>> Iraqi prisons.
>>
>> How can we point our fingers at another nation and
>> tell them that they should comply with the world’s
>> human rights laws when we cannot do it ourselves?
>> Take a look at our American prison system and
>> compare them.
>>
>> America may have been justified in going into
>> Afghanistan for the sole purpose of eliminating the
>> Taliban of its tyrannical rule, but we should have
>> stayed out of Iraq. There are no justifications for
>> political, tactical, or military reasons to engage
>> Iraqi armed forces. We have no business being in
>> Iraq and now the world is witnessing this
>> catastrophe.
>>
>> The policies of containment would have worked the
>> same policies the United Nations tried to implement
>> and failed because it lacked United States support.
>>
>> What happened this month was a complete disgrace to
>> our heroic soldiers of the past. The leader of any
>> country should be a leader who will take full
>> responsibility for any actions taken by
>> subservience.
>>
>> Somebody higher in the chain of command should pay
>> for this miscarriage of justice.
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>>
>> Now the Bush administration want to blame the
>> fighting soldiers (NON COMMISSION) for their
>> discretionary acts on Iraqi prisoners.
>>
>> Where did those orders originate? Most Americans
>> know how the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corp.
>> chain of command work. Soldiers never carry out an
>> order without being told by superior officer. Once
>> being instructed this soldier must carry out his/her
>> orders.
>>
>> It’s time for the Bush Administration to honor the
>> soldiers of World War Two, Korea, and Viet Nam by
>> letting America and Americans the truth.
>>
>> We all should pray for the troops fighting in Iraq.
>> It is imperative that we be very cautious regarding
>> the present administration. This is the first
>> President to ever order an invasion of another
>> country without pretense of immediate direct
>> military threat to the United States.
>>
>> This leadership does not respect different cultures.
>> They do not respect the word of law; they do not
>> respect Americans. Do not respect themselves.
>>
>> We will pay for these actions because our children
>> are watching this situation. Just like the children
>> of the Reagan era watched corporate greed ruled the
>> 1980’s. How we remember the World Com and Enron
>> investigations, the biggest stock market scandal in
>> American history.
>>
>> This leads our children to believe that its o.k. to
>> lie, cheat, and steal just to achieve their own
>> personal agenda. These young Americans will do
>> anything to become successful in the United States.
>> Malcolm X once said "by any means necessary". This
>> is a set up for very difficult times.
>>
>> Mr. President you are sending the wrong message to
>> our young Americans.
>>
>> It is time for action. It is time for change.
>>
>> As Presidential candidate and now late President
>> Ronald W. Reagan asked
>>
>> "Are you better off now then you were four years
>> ago"?
>>
>> Most of Americans knew this answer then and most
>> Americans know the answer now.
>>
>> I'm sorry but this president is a very dangerous
>> threat.
>>
>> Dangerous for Disabled Americans.
>>
>> Dangerous for Africans Americans.
>>
>> Dangerous for American women.
>>
>> Dangerous for The Gray Panthers of America.
>>
>> Dangerous for Gay and Lesbian Americans.
>>
>> Dangerous for American Civil Rights.
>>
>> Dangerous for anybody that wants FREE SPEECH
>>
>> This administration has created a breeding ground
>> for hate, fear, and distrust throughout America and
>> the world...
>>
>> George W. Bush wants us to think of him as the great
>> unifier but instead he has succeeded in dividing
>> this great nation in half.
>>
>> Similar to the Viet Nam era, some thirty-five years
>> ago…
>>
>> History will repeat itself if we don’t pay
>> attention.
>>
>> This is not the right way to remember our soldiers
>> of the past, present, or future.
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>> ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> only becouse you ask. they only found a shell or
>> two with enouth sarin to kill an prejected 60,000
>> people if let loose over new york or another big
>> city.
>> old stuff.
>> there is a question of why did we not find any of
>> wmd's that we were looking for.
>> a better question is where are they. they did stop
>> a plot to let loose some stuff in jordan. no
>> knowledge
>> of where it came from. may have killed 20,000 if it
>> had not been stopped.
>> some stuff in the golon heights. maybe from iraq,
>> but
>> no proof of that.
>> kyle may know more than all of us, but his job would
>> not permit him to say. i know how it goes when you
>> got
>> a security clearance, have to keep the mouth shut. i
>> had one of those clearances years ago when i was in
>> the balistic missle defense systems area.
>> --- Kat wrote:
>>> OK, just to stir things up a bit - anyone care to
>>> comment on the state of current national politcs?
>>>
>>> Those of you who were about last year will recall
>>> that I supported the US in going to Afghanistan
>> but
>>> I wasn't so sure about Iraq, especially when no
>> WMDs
>>> were ever found. I'm even more convinced we were
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