i lost friends and relatives in vietnam. i think i'd
be willing to hang jane fonda even now. i think john
kerry was and still is a traiter. the military did not
lose that war politics and politicians lost it and the
news media played a huge role in the loss. i am
thankful as hell that cbs, nbc, and abc and cnn can't
monoplise the disemination of information the way they
did back then as proved by rathergate. years ago they
could pull off crap like mary mapes and dan rather
tried to pull off but they can't now. back then the
swiftboat vets would not have been ableto speak out
like they did. yes, i think lots of blood will be on
lots of hands.
so you know what i think. i still remember Mac
barber, lenard holmes and others that died their and
had people like fonda an kerry consorting with the
enemy. when john kerry did that "reporting for duty"
think i could have just threw up. the word in the
south is puke.
do i convey my utter disgust with the heros of the
democratic party. and this is not snapping, this is in
answer to your question.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I am sorry the politics on the list are so difficult
> for you. I on
> the other hand find a huge group of like minded
> souls. Hope all is
> well for you and yes it's not worth getting
> aggravated over cause you
> are not going to change minds here just as you're
> not changing your views.
> I'd be interested to know sometime if you supported
> Vietnam, and if
> you did, what you think in retrospect. My father was
> an Ace fighter
> pilot in Korea and a real great guy, never raised
> his voice, soft
> spoken. I know the war bothered him more as he got
> older. He was for
> Vietnam but eventually realized us kids were right
> in our aim to STOP
> WAR NOW.
>
> At 01:11 PM 4/13/2006, you wrote:
> >kendall, i'd be interested in knowing what these
> >people who retired before rumfeld became sec of
> >defense actually could know about how he is running
> >the department too. the management style is
> autocradic
> >but gets it done. these used to be in ranks types
> do
> >not like that, but, the fact is that they have been
> >out of the loop for years now.
> > hell i could sit here and say "i don't like the
> way
> >the cdc is being ran by gerberdine." but the truth
> of
> >the matter is i have been gone 3 years and really
> >would not have a clue except what my buddies tell
> me.
> >the difference is that i don't have a lazy reporter
> >that can't dig up something real publishing my
> >remarks. for every general that they dig up to
> >critisise, there is more that they do not interview
> >becouse they are not going to critisize.
> >
> >there is no real news here. same old "get rid of
> >rumsfeld" that has been going on now for quite a
> >while.
> >
> >while i am at it i'll go ahead and address the
> >ludicrus idea that there is more violence in iraq
> than
> >there was under saddam. there are no towns having
> the
> >entire populations wiped out by poison gas, there
> are
> >not mas graves with hundreds and even thousands put
> >int them. there is not women being taken to a room
> >where a goverment employee hired for the purpose
> rapes
> >and tortures them. i find the whole discussion to
> be
> >totally senseless. i am sorry if you find that
> >statement offencive, but the whole idea defiles any
> >real logic.
> >
> > i am turning off the list for a while. i am not
> >going to have my hands swelling from debating the
> >senseless. enjoy the party.
> >
> >--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > I'd be interested in hearing how the 21st
> century
> > > realities are (or
> > > possibly need to be) reflected in Rumsfeld's
> > > management style; The MSNBC
> > > article Kat sent seemed more about that than a
> > > different type of
> > > warfare, as it's been waged in Afghanistan and
> Iraq,
> > > and going back to
> > > the 90's, Bosnia, Croatia, etc.
> > >
> > > Kendall
> > >
> > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> > > redundant!)
> > >
> > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the
> > > unreasonable one
> > > persists in trying to adapt the world to
> himself.
> > > Therefore, all
> > > progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> > >
> > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ken barber [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:14 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Retired Military Officers and
> Rumfeld
> > >
> > > the military is going through changes from a
> > > military based on 20th century realities to a
> > > military
> > > based on 21st century realities.
> > > any time there is changes, there are those who
> do
> > > not like the changes.
> > > in the military, those who can cope with the
> > > change
> > > do just that. those who can't or don't want to
> cope,
> > > retire and are then free to complain and often
> do.
> > > there is no real news here.
> > >
> > > --- Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Even retired military officers don't like the
> way
> > > > Rumsfeld is
> > > > handling things:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12280913/
> > > >
> > > > Kat
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