sometimes, birth control does fail, sometimes women are raped. The thing
that gets me is that many buy alcohol and drugs, but won't pay 10 bucks for
a box of condoms then they expect the govt to feed and clothe these kids
they had. I really wanted children, but my parents instilled a value system
in me that said it was not cool to expect the taxpayers to pay for my child
if I had one out of wedlock, and if I could not support the child myself.
I think in the long haul it would be cheaper for the govt to give women
birth control. I get the Pill on my insurance.

at my meeting today  at mobility and transportation, we got off topic and
the chair woman was saying it is the liberals who are messing up oaklands
schools. And Linda is African American. She agrees with Ken and Kyle that
the political parties have crossed and uncrossed paths so that now we don't
know what's what with each party.

mag

Tamar Magenta Raine
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Oakland Mayor's Commission on People with disabilities


> [Original Message]
> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 11/24/2003 7:49:28 AM
> Subject: Re: I dont think this is a Black White thing...
>
> Bottom Line:
>
> As long as we carry the cross of "Political Correctness", we will never
have societal parity in this country.  If one group (ex. the "government",
the "schools", etc.) insist on certain verbage and actions without taking
the time to look underneath at the real issues, class and race will
continue to be societal stumbling blocks.
>
> Since Johnson's "Great Society" we've created cultures and generations of
professional "victims" who would rather "mother" children they can't afford
and "father" children they don't value, while at the same time pointing the
finger of blame at someone else for their plight.
>
> There is absolutely NO reason that any individual of ANY race or creed
cannot live comfortably in this country and know the value of a days wages
for a days work.  Single mom?  Have three kids and don't know how to feed
them?  Hmmm...who "made" you have those children?  Weren't you at least
somewhat responsible for their birth?
>
> I don't suffer from "white guilt".  Never have, never will.  Why?  Well
for one, when I was a kid my parents had to decide between braces for me or
groceries for the family.  Did they complain?  Hardly!  They realized that
sacrifices in cars, entertainment, clothes and, yes, food would pay off for
me AND them someday.  They knew disappointment, sure.  They also knew it
was no one's fault, and if they were going to get pulled up by the boot
straps then it was going to have to be their hands on the leather.
>
> Kyle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kat <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:04 am
> Subject: Re: I dont think this is a Black White thing...
>
> > The black people in my office building don't do that sort of
> > thing.  They work
> > just as hard and long as everyone else, no excessive talking, etc.
> > I think
> > it's the workplace attitude more than a race thing.
> >
> > My niece who is white, has dated black guys and Hispanic guys.
> > She's been
> > doing that ever since high school and she's 26 now.  It's no big deal.
> > *shrugs*
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > On Monday 24 November 2003 07:04 am, you wrote:
> > > Well, Deri,
> > >
> > >            I must tell you - what seems to be missed here - is
> > the stereo
> > > type about white people.  I live in DC. I love the way - the
> > black people
> > > here stereo type us - just becasue we are white and our lives
> > are so easy -
> > > we don't have problems  - its best to realize the knife cuts
> > both ways - I
> > > am with Ken on the black people I know are better off than I am.
> > Bigger> houses, nicer neighborhoods, better lives ( no 11 hour
> > work days for them)
> > > better education, sororities and frats, gold watchs, Movodo's,
> > cruises and
> > > fancy vacations - its freaking shame the true issues never get
> > addressed> that the poor no matter what color get shafted - it so
> > easy to pick a
> > > scapegoat, and never look at the real cause. Maybe becasue I
> > live in a
> > > major metro area things are different -  the company I work for
> > is really
> > > equitably racially and foreignly represented - of the 61 people
> > in the
> > > office - 16 are black, 16 are foreign, that's little more than
> > half. but of
> > > the 61 - only 28 are female.  Our team of eleven is pretty
> > equitably - 6
> > > women - 5 guys - 5 black, 5 white and 1 foreign. And I must tell
> > you the
> > > black ladies I work with have lovely lives and kinda fit the
> > stereo type
> > > work wise, come in at 10, leave at 4, have at least an hour
> > lunch, have
> > > great yak sessions, lots of phone time, and have a TV running
> > soaps all
> > > day.
> > >
> > >
> > >                                                             Trisha
> > >
> > > > On Friday 21 Nov 2003 10:03 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > So I wont add to the list...I will say that I have a
> > > > > daughter...NDA...23 yo college student.  Who happens to
> > drive a Mustang
> > > > > GT Convertible.  Shes stopped all the time...so I have to
> > disagree Its
> > > > > not a black/white thing. She drove a Hyuandi for 7 years and
> > was never
> > > > > stopped.  Had the Mustang for 3 months and has been stopped 3
> > > > > times...from illegal lights..which she didnt have...to
> > running a
> > > > > policeman off the road 2 hours earlier...which she didnt
> > do...to just
> > > > > stopping her for the Hell of it.  My NDA 17 year old son
> > drives an Neon
> > > > > R/T...hes pulled over even more than she is...for no
> > apparent reason...
> > > >
> > > > You are right Betty, its not just a black/white thing, however
> > what you
> > > > are describing above is the police reacting to perceived
> > stereo types. A
> > > > 17yr old male driving a Neon R/T = up to no good.
> > > >
> > > > Stereo types exist because they are a form of 'lazy thinking',
> > its a form
> > > > of short hand, you don't have to think too hard if you
> > compartmentalize> > everyone into nice neat pigeon holes. But, if
> > you happen to belong to a
> > > > group which has a widespread negative stereo type it means
> > odds of
> > > > success are stacked against you. We all rail against the
> > negative stereo
> > > > type of being disabled when searching for employment, but it
> > seems we
> > > > employ the same 'short hand thinking' to other groups in society.
> > > >
> > > > Stereo typing people also has a self fulfilling element,
> > "Disabled people
> > > > are not as good employees as the TABs (if they were there
> > would be a lot
> > > > more disabled people in employment)".
> > > >
> > > > > If you or I were faced the charges that Michael Jackson
> > faces...DYFS> > > would have been to our homes and taken our
> > children away.  He spent
> > > > > what an hour at the police station?  My brother in law got
> > stopped last
> > > > > week in NYC for making an improper turn...and actually spent
> > the night
> > > > > in jail...handcuffed and shackled...with people charged with
> > murder.> > > Jackson is back in LV.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe in the Innocent until found Guilty thing as well.
> > OJ got
> > > > > off? Did that make him innocent?
> > > >
> > > > Afraid it did. I may not like the guy, I may wish the justice
> > system was
> > > > nearer perfection, but it would not be fair to treat him as
> > guilty after
> > > > his acquittal.
> > > >
> > > > > Something to think about for sure...
> > > > >
> > > > > Have a great weekend...
> > > > > Betty
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Deri
> >