i think i am with you on this. i do not want to drink
any blood at all with apologies to dracula.
--- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Not sure, Ken. From what I understand, these kinds
> of potions are supposed to increase your virility.
> Don't know about you, but I'd rather stay a wimp.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of ken barber
> Sent: Tue 11/6/2007 3:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: history an affront to science?
>
>
>
> raw duck blood, how appitizing. now is it thialand
> where they make a drink with snake blood?
>
> --- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Ah well, it's what I do for a living--both for the
> > gov't and the Guard.
> > This has been simmering and simmering in South
> East
> > Asia since before
> > the SARS scare. One case in Vietnam was caused by
> > the patient's
> > drinking raw duck blood, so the fact that most of
> us
> > in the West don't
> > have such intimate contact with poultry is a
> > mitigating factor.
> >
> > There have been several documented cases where
> H5N1
> > has made the
> > avian-to-mammal jump. It's been to cats and dogs,
> > so this has raised a
> > few eyebrows because there's so much interaction
> > between the three in
> > just about all cultures.
> >
> > Ken, do you remember the 1976-77 "Swine Flu"
> scare?
> > It started with a
> > couple of soldiers at Ft. Dix coming down with flu
> > symptoms and then
> > blood tests showed that 200+ soldiers had been
> > exposed to H1N1. Nobody
> > less than 50 years old had any immunity. I was in
> > college at Ohio State
> > the time and you would have thought the world was
> > ending. Kids were
> > lined up around the block at St. John Arena (the
> old
> > basketball gym) to
> > get shots. Instead of hypodermic needles they
> used
> > the air guns that
> > shot the vaccine right through your skin. The air
> > guns had been
> > supplied by the military, but the nurses had
> little
> > to no training on
> > their use. If you didn't hold the gun at a right
> > angle, tight against
> > the arm, the thing would rip a nasty crescent
> shaped
> > hole in your skin.
> > I still have my scar. What a trip that was. LOL!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of ken barber
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 2:43 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: history an affront to science?
> >
> > you got a pretty good handle on this, much more
> than
> > a
> > normal layman. we'd lose millions of people.
> >
> > --- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah...the documentation supports two-generation
> > > infections in SE Asia
> > > for Human-Human infection right now. Seven of
> > eight
> > > family members in
> > > one dwelling became infected.
> > >
> > > Of the 200+ human infections, here are the
> things
> > > that scare me about
> > > this (see www.pandemicflu.gov for an overview)
> > >
> > > 1) Primarily young, healthy people are
> > > affected--with a 60% mortality
> > > rate.
> > > 2) Of the four antivirals that we currently have
> > > available, two were
> > > totally ineffective in the clinical settings in
> > > which they were used,
> > > one was suspect. IVIG (Intra-venous
> > > Immunogammablobulin) therapy has
> > > not been shown to be effective.
> > > 3) There are only four known A subtypes of
> > influenza
> > > viruses (H1N1,
> > > H1N2, H3N2, and H7N2) currently circulating
> among
> > > humans. H5N1 is a
> > > whole new game--no one has a natural immunity.
> > > (It's pretty much common
> > > knowledge that a vaccine will take at least 6
> > months
> > > to produce once the
> > > specific genetic subtype has been isolated.)
> > > 4) In the US, "Just-In-Time" logistical systems
> > will
> > > be overwhelmed by
> > > surge--particularly those of hospitals and
> > > pharmaceutical producers.
> > > 5) The only effective means to break the cycle
> of
> > > infection will be
> > > quarantine/isolation. This will be almost
> > > impossible to control on a
> > > volunteer basis.
> > > 6) All public works, government, law
> enforcement,
> > > medical facilities,
> > > grocery outlets (you name it) will experience up
> > to
> > > 80% absenteeism
> > > through actual infection, caregiving, "worried
> > > well".
> > >
> > > This will be the great equalizer--affecting rich
> > and
> > > poor to almost the
> > > same degree. The "free world's" enemies and
> > friends
> > > will both be
> > > equally affected, superposing even the most
> > strident
> > > socio-political
> > > issues.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > > Of ken barber
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:21 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: history an affront to science?
> > >
> > > are we talking bird flu as the start of the
> > > pandemic?
> > > this is a scare that history supports.
> > >
> > > --- "Cleveland, Kyle E."
> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Peter,
> > > >
> > > > Depends on who's doing the modeling: Who's
> > writing
> > > > the code? Who's
> > > > creating the scenarios? Who's interpreting
> the
> > > > extrapolated data?
> > > > Who's deciding which data is input into the
> > model?
> > >
> > > > Modeling for
> > > > long-term climactic study is still in its
> > infancy.
> > >
> > > > We don't really know
> > > > if "it works". How can we? Modeling is based
> > on
> > > > input of data that has
> > > > produced predictable, reliable results over
> > time.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I would look at the NIH/CDC models
> > for
> > > > pandemic flu if you
> > > > want a good scare. Using the data from the
> > 1918,
> > > > 1956 and 1968
> > > > pandemics, these models are terrifying in that
> > > they
> > > > predict death rates
> > > > up to 20% in some cases. This, in a
> three-surge
> > > > event over a period of
> > > > two years. I think this trumps concerns about
>
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