OK, I can't resist. The Dead are probably the most disabled group there is.(G)
kat <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
So no, I don't think the dead should see themselves as non-disabled,
Kat
On Thursday 04 December 2003 12:57 pm, you wrote:
> Kat,
>
> Everyone has a horror story - of when they don't belong - continuing the
> hatred makes on no better than the original perpatrator - okay that' s not
> spelled right - but you know what I mean. Its time to put he barriars away
> - peace starts with each individual.
>
> Trisha
>
>
>
>
> Well the deaf community has a long history of mistreatment and
> misunderstandings from the hearing community, I don't blame them for being
> defensive and insular. They have more problems than other disabled people
> because their disability is a lot less visible and more easily understood.
>
> A classic story from WWII -
>
> A crowd was settling in a stadium to watch a game. They were instructed
> to salute the flag and all the men took off their hats, save one. A couple
> of Brooklynites yelled at him to remove his hat; he did nothing and refused
> to face them. Infuriated, they called him a 'Nazi sympathiser' and
> proceeded to beat him up. It wasn't until he was rushed to the hospital
> that anyone found out he was totally deaf.
>
> With incidents like this, it's no wonder the deaf are so insular.
>
> Kat
>
> On Thursday 04 December 2003 11:56 am, you wrote:
> > Hi Kat,
> >
> > Okay - wasn't sure what she meant.
> > My point is that it hurts the disabled community in there efforts for
> > betterment, etc. A united large community has more clout than many small
> > fragmented units. I believe if you looked the numbers for each
> > individual disability then added them all up - you would have a
> > impressive number - and number speak.
> >
> > Frankly - since I consider nature's imperfections as normal - I am
> > against all the labeling but it seems to be needed in order to get
> > things done - or something. To me a "normal" person is an anomaly. I am
> > not sure there actually is such a beast. There does however seem to be a
> > universal cookie cutter that people are suppose to come out of. I am not
> > a cookie person, and neither is anyone else. But people have high needs
> > to group themselves into units like themsleves and then build fences
> > around themselves, and shut others out. Ah well...........
> >
> > Trisha
> >
> > > I think she meant she uses ASL because she has to, not because it's
> > > fun.
> > >
> > > I kind of understand your point regarding the deaf being disabled, but
> > > they don't see themselves as disabled at all, and frankly, I applaud
> > > them, and think it's presumptuous of a non-deaf or non-hard-of-hearing
> > > person to tell them they are disabled.
> > >
> > > Kat
> > >
> > > On Thursday 04 December 2003 11:37 am, you wrote:
> > > > Hi Asdis,
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry I don't understand your reply. How is hearing going?
> > > >
> > > > Trisha
> > > >
> > > > > soorry i must reply im deaf because i sign asdis At 11:58
> > > > > 2.12.2003
> > > > >
> > > > > -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > >Hi Tamara,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am sorry. Amber is loving signing. It is challenges her -
> > > > > > using her = right hand as a assistant, and it makes her slower.
> > > > > > But she loves it. I = wish we would find more ways to get to
> > > > > > common ground rather than the one = uncommon thing we might
> > > > > > have. Alex and I are learning ASL right along = with Amber. We
> > > > > > talk during conversations that we aren't involved in and = it
> > > > > > works great over distances... like across the room - when you
> > > > > > don't = want to shout.=20
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trisha
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trish,
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > What Bobby is saying is true. I have a daughter that is deaf
> > > > > > > in 1 ear =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >and I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > have tried to have her learn different things about the deaf
> > > > > > > culture =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >but yet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > she is stuck between the two cultures. I have been around
> > > > > > > alot of =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >deaf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > people and unless you are one of them they don't accept you.
> > > > > > > I was basically told that if and when Rebekah becomes totally
> > > > > > > deaf then they =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >will
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > take her under their wing and teach her everything she needs
> > > > > > > to know. This is also a girl that loves sign lnguage and is
> > > > > > > becaoming very good =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > at using it.
> > > > > > > Tamara
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Trisha Cummings"
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:21 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Amber's trip to Galludet
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Bobby,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's just plain silly! I don't mind being visually
> > > > > > > > impaired - =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >you =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > take my glasses away and I can't see well enough to find my
> > > > > > > > glasses. =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > can't drive without them- heck I can't walk without them!!!
> > > > > > > > And it =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >=3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > impairs my ability to hear - when I don't have them on.
> > > > > > > > What's wrong =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >=3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with admitting I ain't perfect? Cute as button tho!!! GRIN.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trisha>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Trish,
> > > > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > > > > Persons who use ASL consider Deafness as a culture.
> > > > > > > > > Many do =
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > not like
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hearing persons. They do not consider deafness a
> > > > > > > > > disability just =
> > > > > >
> > > > > >as =3D
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > persons do
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > consider being an American as a disability.
> > > > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > > > > Bobby
> > > > >
> > > > > Asdis night owl mom of the purring cats, Agatha Mist queen of our
> > > > > apartment and Odinn Thistill my little baby!!!
> > > > > implanted with CI NC24 18 Juni 2003.
> > > > > Hookup-date 15 august 2003
> > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > [log in to unmask] msn messenger
> > > > > asdisj_astradsdottir yahoo id.
> > > > > Iceland.
> > > > >
> > > > > Faith, Hope and Love.
Bill Hyatt
"I live in my own little world, but it's OK, they know me here."
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