Hi Ken,
I for one don't hate anyone - least of all a political party. I
actually happen to be a registered Republican - mainly because you have
to be something to vote in primaries. I vote for the candadite I think
will be best - I have in the past voted for Bush,sr. I have never
approved of Bush jr - I remember when his father was President and -
Bush,jr got drunk and tried to punch his father in face and the Secret
Service guys pulled him away. This just wasn't what I wanted for
President. And in many ways I was right - he made us look like a corrupt
third world country with the Bush/Gore election thing. Then he pride in
the fact he a C student - who is proud of the fact they are mediocre?
Then the whole he was AWOL while in military stuff to play politics.
When he joined there was a 200 person waiting and he because of his
father was put at the head of the list. I was watching - after 9/11 -
his address to the congress - I saw it in his eyes - when he got - he
could do wrong - because at that moment - he was saying ( or his speech
writer were) just what most people wanted to hear. I remember thinking -
Uh OH... And since then we have a semi-intelligent, spoilt 2 year old
and friends running the country. And we are the laughing stock of the
world and have no creditability with them. We ceased being a world
power. Why anyone thought a man who bankrupted his business - could be
financially responsible at the country level - is beyond me. People get
all caught up in the mudslinging and excitement factor and become blind
sheeple and just follow the crowd.
Here is something I received on another list - and found interesting and
it's been researched by Snopes - link included.
Here's probably the most honest thing I've seen printed about her yet:
About Sarah Palin
Sep 3, 2008
What follows is an open letter written by a resident of Wasilla, Alaska
named Anne Kilkenny.
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first
name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City
Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl
in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote
for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a
"babe".
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months. She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's
syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit. Her
husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion
snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after
because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so
he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but
by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of
income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native
Alaskans. Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters. She's smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents. During her mayoral administration most of the actual
work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She
had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after
she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which
had given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City
increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002).
She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales
tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited
large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new
library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use
sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property
that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in
litigation 7 yrs later-to the delight of the lawyers involved! The
sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge
money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also
supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in
5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once. These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a
very small city. As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a
budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology
that will make us energy independent and increase
efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to
every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she
proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus,
borrow for needs.
She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside Ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her
or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis
of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied
to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at
out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and
withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust
the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal-loyal to the point of abusing their power to
further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated"
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and
she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an
important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for
abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts
were made between her staff and family to the person that she later
fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her
support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like
the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job
which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high
salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured
hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission
(who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in
unethical behavior on the job.
In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political
suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the
job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint
of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she
dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics
violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics
and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere"
after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects-which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance-but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They
call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories
circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point
guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a
highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran
for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to
the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global
warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears
as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President. There has to be literally millions
of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.
CLAIM VS FACT
*"Hockey mom": true for a few years
*"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school,
not since
*"NRA supporter": absolutely true
*social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
*pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
*"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT
declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
*"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
*political maverick: not at all
*gutsy: absolutely!
*open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining
actions.
*has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
*"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and
disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
*fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
*pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets
to early 20th century standards.
*pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
*pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government
in Wasilla's history.
*pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't
make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is
pro-labor/pro-union.
Why am I writing this?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska),
you will find references to my participation in local government,
education, and PTA/parent organizations.
Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.
Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of.
I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool;
she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me
somehow in the future: that's life.
Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.
Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.
CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for
a private person to get any info out of City Hall-they are swamped. So I
can't verify my numbers.
You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000″, up to 9,000.
The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.
*************
Check against Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/sarahpalin.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of ken barber
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:22 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Palin's little lies
there have been probably more skirt chasers than we'll ever know. if i
coul=
d tell you about some of the models for Miss Liberty on our coins.... i
am =
not worried about skirtchasers. kat brought up edwards(and yes he's a
cad.)=
, but i am worried about someone who associstes themeselves with anti
ameri=
can groups (ie liberation theology Trinity United which as a christian i
fi=
nd to be a repugnant corruption of the gospel), with unrepentant
terrorist =
(bill ayers, who said in the new york times out the day the towers
fell."i =
don't regreat setting bombs, i do not think we did enough." is one of
obama=
's first key political associates) and corruption like rezco.=20
maybe all of this is okay with you but i raise an eyebrow and ask where
is =
the media.=20
of course i do not HATE the present president enough to BLIND me to the
fut=
ure like so many. yes, i said "HATE." hate does blind and it is not good
to=
vote based on Hate but there will be a lot of hate voting in
november.=20
--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Michael H. Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Michael H. Collis <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Palin's little lies
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 5:32 PM
> Ken, how many presidents were supposedly
> "skirtchasers" in office? there were apparently
> quite a few. the most notorious being Clinton, Kennedy,
> Jefferson, and Grover Cleveland. Kyle, you two aren't
> related, are you?
>=20
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:00:53 -0700
> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]> =20
> >Subject: Re: Palin's little lies =20
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > so are you okay with a man humping a campaign worker
> while his wife is fighting for her life against cancer? and
> i'd like a little bit of a clear explaination of just
> whose money he was using to pay her 3000 dollars a month to
> have her quiet. i'd certainly think that campaign
> > contributors just might be equally as curious.=20
> >=20
> >by the way you ever hear of a man named Revsco? i hope
> i spelled it correctly.=20
> >
> > --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Tamar Raine
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >=20
> > > From: Tamar Raine <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: Palin's little lies
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 11:51 PM
> > > i don't think an affair breaks my belief in a
> > public
> > > offical.=A0 For instance, if Clinton had just
> said,
> > Yes, I
> > > had an affair with Lewinsky, that would not have
> > broken my
> > > trust in him. Big deal, whoopie do.=A0 but the
> fact
> > that he
> > > lied about it was stupid.=A0 I was much more
> concerned
> > about
> > > Bosnia, about NAFTA, and why was he going so far
> to
> > the
> > > right........
> > >=20
> > > what would do it for me would be if they were
> abusing
> > > power, if they were unethical, if there were
> secret
> > > dealings. For instance if Obama was part of the
> > chicago
> > > political machine, I am sure I could dig up the
> dirt
> > on the
> > > web.=20
> >> > =A0
> >> > Mag
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > http://www.zazzle.com/TamarMag*
> >> > Tamar Mag Raine
> >> >
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> >> >=20
> >> >=20
> >> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:11:20 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Palin's little lies
> >> >=20
> >> > yeah, Edwards is a great example. this had
> been going
> >> on
> >> > for months and months. the inquirer said the
> had it
> >> for
> >> > months and did not publish it until he was
> out of the
> >> > running.=20
> >> > who broke the story? ABC? NBC? CBS? CNN? NO
> NO NO AND
> >> NO.
> >> > THE NEW YORK TIMES? THE WASHINGTON POST?
> CHICAGO
> >> TIMES? LA
> >> > TIMES? ATLASNTA URINAL AND CONSTIPATION? WELL
> NO!!=20
> >> > right next to the lady who had a 300 ponnd
> baby
> >> fathered by
> >> > an alien from mars in the national inquirer
> was where
> >> it
> >> > was.
> >> >=20
> >> > now the NY times ran an article about McCain
> on a
> >> rumor and
> >> > an enuendo. well i can see where you might
> think they
> >> are
> >> > impartial, but it just don't quite wash
> with
> >> little ole
> >> > me.=20
> >> >=20
> >> > thank you for giving me a prime example.=A0=20
> >> >=20
> >> >=20
> >> > --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Kathy
> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >=20
> >> > > From: Kathy <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > Subject: Re: Palin's little lies
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:18
> PM
> >> > > I think he's saying the press is too
> liberal
> >> to
> >> > really
> >> > > dig up dirt=20
> >> > > against Obama.=A0 I beg to differ.=A0 If
> The
> >> Enquirer
> >> > had been
> >> > > able to dig=20
> >> > > up dirt against him they would have.=A0
> Just look
> >> at
> >> > John
> >> > > Edwards.
> >> > >=20
> >> >=20
> >> >=20
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