i did not hear about the bill on fox at all, i read about it in two different places. the actual study would not be the major cost, where the cost would come in would be if obama when elected decided to implement the plan.
--- On Wed, 4/30/08, Kendall D. Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Kendall D. Corbett <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: S.2433 global tax on americans to give to other countries
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 7:15 PM
> Mag,
>
> I sincerely doubt Dubya wrote the speech either, but the
> fact that he said
> it lends credence to him mouthing the words, if not fully
> understanding
> their impact. By placing the quote in the supporting
> documentation for a
> bill, it would be too easy to prove or disprove whether he
> actually said
> them. Since Ken didn't tell us that the costs of the
> proposed legislation
> were not reported on Fox, it leads me to believe that they
> were, or on an
> equally conservative source. The point of the quote
> attributing terrorism
> in part, to poverty, doesn't sound particularly
> "Bush-like." Dubya, IMHO,
> doesn't understand many of the things that we have the
> right to expect the
> President to understand, but that didn't prevent him
> from being re-elected.
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Tamar Raine
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I doubt very much that bush 2 wrote that speech. I
> really doubt he truly
> > unerstands poverty and the related issues. I recently
> read an excerpt from
> > a book by Lee Iacoca, that really says all the things
> I have thought about
> > bush2. for instance, bush never reads a newspaper, he
> gets his news from
> > fox news while he is in the gym! I don't read the
> paper, but then I am not
> > the leader of the country and I don't have to make
> decisions affecting the
> > millions of americans or other countries.
> >
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> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Kendall D. Corbett
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:25:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: S.2433 global tax on americans to give to
> other countries
> >
> > Here's a link to the bill as introduced in the
> Senate, which lists
> > cosponsors and legislative history:
> >
> >
> http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:2:./temp/~c110NXPmS0
> >
> > Under findings, the bill some rather startling facts
> about worldwide
> > poverty, and how that poverty may lead to increased
> acts of terrorism.
> > Finding 5 is a statement by President Bush:
> >
> >
> > (5) On March 22, 2002, President George W. Bush
> stated: `We fight
> > against poverty because hope is an answer to terror.
> We fight against
> > poverty because opportunity is a fundamental right
> to human dignity. We
> > fight against poverty because faith requires it and
> conscience demands
> > it.
> > We fight against poverty with a growing conviction
> that major progress
> > is
> > within our reach.'.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As I read the bill, as Peter said, a dedicated tax
> is not proposed. I
> > haven't taken the time to go into the GAO report
> on the bill, but I'd
> > bet
> > that the folks at Fox are getting budget projections
> from somewhere,
> > seeing
> > that therre isn't enough money in the budget to
> cover those projected
> > costs,
> > and assuming that a tax of the magnitude you mention
> would be necessary
> > to
> > fund the program.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As I read the bill, it's intended to support UN
> action to alleviate
> > world wide poverty, and as such, the US would not be
> solely responsible
> > for
> > the costs of the program.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:32 PM, ken barber
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > it begs a question of why WOULD YOU PLAN FOR
> SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOT
> > > INTEND TO EXECTE. .
> > > opps sorry about the caps.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 4/30/08, Peter Hunsberger
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Peter Hunsberger
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Subject: Re: S.2433 global tax on americans
> to give to other countries
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 2:30 PM
> > > > Thing is, the bill doesn't propose a
> tax (or even much
> > > > in the way of
> > > > real spending); that's just some
> commentators take on
> > > > the supposed
> > > > implications of the bill. Guess it makes
> for better
> > > > headlines....
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:22 PM, ken barber
> > > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > > we actually do help others quite a bit
> with out
> > > > putting a dedicated tax for the purpose.
> > > > >
> > > > > sarcasm noted.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 4/30/08, Peter Hunsberger
> > > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Peter Hunsberger
> > > > <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: S.2433 global tax on
> americans to
> > > > give to other countries
> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2008,
> 2:15 PM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [sarcasm alert/]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wouldn't want to help the
> poor countries;
> > > > they might
> > > > > > just start
> > > > > > purchasing goods manufactured in
> the US. Far
> > > > better to
> > > > > > continue
> > > > > > spending that money on ways to to
> kill and
> > > > control people
> > > > > > instead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:39 PM,
> ken barber
> > > > > > <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > senate bill s-2433
> introduced by obama will
> > > > impose a
> > > > > > 845 billion dollar tax on
> americans to give to
> > > > "poor
> > > > > > countries."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > just for your info and it
> will be voted on
> > > > any day
> > > > > > now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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