Hi all

Well I can try

They were the bundist movement

"union" in a manner of speaking

And very not religious (which was even more dangerous for jews to
survive.................

But meg brings up a valid point

Lookit in times gone by (regretfully)...........if a community had a man
who devoted himself to learning torah it was the jewel in the crown for
that community.

It protected the community from dangerous situations i.e. in europe  go
bone up on history of anti semitism a bit it is not hard to find at all.

I regret [again]

Yet with all this there were couples whose husband learned and was not
compensated properly.

And that is a chillul Hashem.

A disgrace to G-d.

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So back to these unions

They offered money, a guaranteed salary in those desperate times

And as in russia they demanded to wipe you clean of anything smelling of
anything that wasn't   marxist/communist.

It was a  HUGE  religious  trade off a la  dr faust

As was the times of the jews in the times of chanukah  (greece)

What was said below is essentially true

Be well





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Frankly, I don't know.  I'm in a Reformed Synagogue which is much more
liberal than an Orthodox Shul so I've no idea.  But maybe Meir could
enlighten us. Meir...?

A lot of Jews supported Lenin because they were of the working class -
remember they were dirt poor and treated like peons - and so they saw a
hope of the end of the tyranny of the Tsars.  Remember that line in
'Fiddler on the Roof,' in which the Rabbi says, 'May G-d bless and keep
the Tsar...far away from us!'  That was how they all felt about the
Tsarist government and they hated and feared the Cossacks, those horse
soldiers of the Tsars who would lead the pogroms.  So it was no wonder
that young Jews turned so eagerly to the new Socialist promises of a
better and freer life.

For a fascinating portrayal of life as a Jew in Old Russia, I recommend
'The Promised Land,' by Mary Antin, still in print and available at
Amazon; it may be at your library.  It was published in 1918 and it was
written by a Russian Jewish immigrant whose family immigrated from
Polotsk (where my father's family was from) to Boston.

Kat

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>
> Fascinating!  So how did an Orthodox man reconcile davening every day
(except Shabbat, of course) with the Torah work ethic (ref. Rambam)?
This was probably just before the time of the Bolshevik uprising, right?
That makes sense.  So, mag's grandfather apparently rebelled against his
own father's ultra-Orthodoxy and became a Socialist?

I love family stories.  They add so much life to historical study!