by the way, i will look at your links, but, i have saw
just as many that go my way. but, you would not want
to trust an american and a redneck at that.

--- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> I do not understand the ostrich attitude to Global
> Warming. You seem to be
> saying that GW is solely due because "the sun is
> going thru a hotter
> cycle" (I'm not sure whether you are referring to
> the normal 11yr sunspot
> activity, or the Milankovitch Effect (slight changes
> in orbit)). Whilst there
> is slight correlation with historical climactic
> conditions it is insufficient
> to explain those changes. If you wish a more
> academic source (and I wouldn't
> trust what I say - I'm Welsh!!) have a look at:-
>
> <http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/causecc/>
>
> Another interesting source of info is at:-
>
> <http://amap.no/acia/>
>
> (It's quite a large PDF but well written,
> authorative, and generally erring on
> the conservative side in its conclusions).
>
> Whether Kyoto would have made a significant
> difference is another argument,
> one which can't be proved either way because one
> country (the richest and
> dirtiest polluter) turned its back on the world for
> essentially selfish
> reasons.
>
> I also do not understand why it is assumed that the
> only way to reduce petrol
> prices is to increase production (again, selfishly,
> using up a finite
> resource even quicker). Surely the law of Supply and
> Demand equally states
> that if demand falls then so will prices. (Think how
> much fossil fuel is used
> making electricity - this "demand" increases oil/gas
> prices). It is kind of
> ironic the Dubya (the "friend" of oil interests)
> says "Make fewer car
> journeys" and his people say "No - Cut Taxes"
> (bearing in mind US still has
> lowest gas prices in the Western World!!). Prices in
> the UK are about $6.90 a
> us gallon (and our wages are lower than yours).
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
>
>
> On Tuesday 06 Sep 2005 04:57, ken barber wrote:
> > oh, crap  the new orleam times piciune has gotten
> > award after award writing series of articles after
> > series predicting this would happen just as it did
> for
> > years and years. it is pure bs that natural
> buffers
> > were took away. the fact is that the damn city was
> 20
> > foot below sea level.
> >   go out in your back yard and dig a hole. put in
> a
> > bucket of water. it fills up. that, mag,  is what
> > happened. new orleans was built in a hole and
> katrina
> > filled up the hole.
> >   that should be a simple enough illistration for
> > everyone to understand.
> >    it is so wet down there that they can't even
> bury
> > anybody. wet lands drained, my arse. oh, have we
> > noticed the temps being up, has anyone noticed
> that
> > the sun is going thru a hotter cycle, more solor
> > flares? it has been reported. yes the temps are
> up.
> > becouse the sun is hotter. KYOTO, HAD NOTHING TO
> DO
> > WITH THIS. just like in the 30's and 40's when we
> got
> > this kind of cycle and we got the hurricanes then
> too.
> > how the hell could that have happened? george bush
> was
> > not even born yet. BY THE WAY THE ICE BURGS WERE
> DOING
> > THE SAME THING THEY ARE DOING NOW. don't anybody
> study
> > history anymore? maybe the question should be does
> > anybody teach history any more? does anyone know
> why
> > greenland was named greenland. IT WAS GREEN WHEN
> IT
> > WAS NAMED, NOT WHITE. AS IT IS NOW.
> >
> > i also find it hard to believe that gov. blanco
> did
> > nothing but whine like the mayor did that somebody
> > else was not doing something like they forgot they
> > were elected mayor and governor. she forgot she
> > commanded her national guard, she forgot she was
> the
> > one to order a evacuation, she forgot she
> commanded
> > the state police, she fortgot to execute a plan.
> the
> > mayor forgot he was elected and commanded the city
> > police, he let school busses that were just parked
> > stay parked that could be used to help those with
> no
> > cars get out. it is not like they were going to
> have
> > school in the middle of a storm. he forgot that
> there
> > was a noted criminal element in his city and he
> thinks
> > they will just cease to be criminals, maybe he
> just
> > forgot he had a brain to use.
> >
> > hell yes the mayor failed and so did governor
> blanco.
> > then on top of that the feds failed. FEMA FAILED,
> THE
> > DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY FAILED. THANK G-D FOR
> THE
> > US. MILITARY.
> >   the whole system failed.
> > the governors and legislatures and the president
> and
> > congress had better fix the system. there may well
> be
> > terrorist bringing in a wreapon of mass
> destruction as
> > i write, there may be another monster storm
> brewing in
> > the atlantic, los angeles or san fran can have a
> > catstrophic earthquake, and let's not forget
> TSUNAMIS
> > can hit our coast too.
> > our elected officials at every level had better
> fix
> > the system becouse the system failed at every
> level.
> >
> >
> > give me a break. every body go out tommorrow and
> dig
> > the hole and pour water in it and report back if
> the
> > hole magically could not be filled up. until then
> i'll
> > turn off the computer and get a nights sleep and
> cool
> > down.
> >
> > sorry for the explosion.
> >
> >  --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Ken,
> > > I don't know. It sure looks like business
> interests
> > > helped cause Katrina,
> > > in that businesses in LA  drained so much of the
> > > wetlands that it took away
> > > that natural buffer there. It  sure looks like
> water
> > > surface temps had a
> > > lot to do with how much stronger there
> hurricanes
> > > are getting.
> > >
> > > I find it hard to believe that the governor did
> not
> > > know she had to request
> > > the natl guard assistance, but you are correct
> in
> > > that blame is
> > > everywhere, from the senators and congress folks
> who
> > > would not ratify kyoto
> > > agreement even though Clinton signed it, to the
> > > states of LA and Mis. who
> > > did not have plans -  and also did not have the
> > > sense to do a state tax to
> > > help pay for things when feds said see your
> money go
> > > to homeland
> > > security...
> > >
> > > many of those who stayed behind were those who
> are
> > > the elderly poor or
> > > disabled poor... How were they supposed to leave
> the
>
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