I can think of one instance right off the bat: the Titanic.

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>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:08:39 -0800
>From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>  
>Subject: a clarification for everyone, but especially for peter. i meant no offense  
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>when i made the remark about arrogance, i was not
>reffering to you personally peter, i was refering to
>mankind and science in general. 
>
>history is full of instances where we thought we had
>all the answers and had something well in hand only to
>have mother nature come around and kick our ideas into
>the dustbins of history. 
>
>that i one one the thinks that concerns me about
>genetic engineering. it is doing lots og good, but, i
>am concerned that when we least expect it we are going
>to get something we never intended to get. 
>
>anyway if i offended, i did not intend to do so. 
>--- ken barber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> i'd say that the statment that we understand the
>> contribution of all the randomness of nature is
>> "simply not true" and further would call it very
>> arogant to think it even is close to being true. 
>> 
>> --- Peter Hunsberger <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > No, thats simply not true.  We do understand the
>> > contribution of the all the
>> > randomness of nature.  Mankind has simply pushed
>> > nature past the point were
>> > all the natural mechanisms for compensating for
>> > things like volcanoes can
>> > adapt to the additional changes we are
>> introducing. 
>> > Perhaps the most
>> > concise explanation of the various contributions
>> to
>> > climate change I've
>> > found is the chart found here:
>> > 
>> >
>>
>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=A1E03678-E7F2-99DF-349533FA77189693&sc=I100322
>> > 
>> > (click on the image to get an enlarged version).
>> > 
>> > Volcanoes aren't shown in that image simply
>> because
>> > they don't contribute
>> > enough.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 11/6/07, Michael H. Collis <[log in to unmask]>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Pardon me, Peter, but you're forgetting one
>> thing:
>> > the randomness of
>> > > nature.  If the Indonesian volcano blows it's
>> top
>> > like it did right before
>> > > the "Little Ice Age" we might be heading into
>> > winter, not summer. We don't
>> > > know if or when nature will rear up and bite us
>> in
>> > the butt.  I do think
>> > > mankind has had a detrimental effect on nature,
>> > but I don't think it's as
>> > > big as some think.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > -- 
>> > Peter Hunsberger
>> > 
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