Hi Kat,
Its Amber, and now also Alex - and no I may not kill him. I can sure him sorry tho. But I have given the girls instructions to get out of the house - nothing we own is worth our lives - I don't care what someone thinks - I have to live with myself. My fear is always the built in survival factor will be stronger than my ability to control it. But if I kill someone - I am wrong no matter what anyone else says. I am a fundementalist in that respect. This makes life simple for me. If you apply the excusablity to the rules, you only need honor "good" parents, and you could cheat on a spouse, and you could join everyone else and jump off that cliff. I honor my parents, everyone spouse is safe with me - and I avoid cliffs and groups of irrational people.
trisha
> I understand, Trish but what if an intruder broke into your home and attack=
> ed Amy? Would you kill him to save her life? I'd bet you would in a heart=
> beat. I'm sure it'd be murder to you, but to the US court system it'd be s=
> elf-defense. I'm sure the intruder wouldn't give a damn about love and hum=
> anity, especially if he's out to kill or maim.
>
> And when were these early Christuns exterminated? I'm trying to remember my=
> NT history here, but don't recall early Christian history. I remember the=
> period between Paul and the early Roman Church in the AD 500s as being a p=
> eriod of the fight for survival until Constantine of Rome converted to Chri=
> stianity and established it as the state church of Rome.
>
> Kat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Oct 3, 2003 11:27 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I don't split hairs - it is killing is killing - period. When you try to=
> define the killing that's okay - you start a whole new round of killing. I=
> do not care what it is - or how far along in life it is - if you deprive i=
> t of life - you killed/murder it. People spend all this time splitting hair=
> son what and when it is okay to kill. The answer - nothing and never. This =
> is why - no matter how much I love and honor Jesus - I will be a follower o=
> f his believe system as it stands - the very ancient and first "Christians"=
> lived like Jesus - but did not workship Jesus - They no longer exist - the=
> y where eradicated by other Christians - that's the kind of Christian I wou=
> ld be. I trust GOD to show the ones who kill and think its okay for any rea=
> son - the error of their ways - when they die. Kinda like which was the pa=
> rt of do not kill - you didn't understand. Becasue most people are insecure=
> and worry about being wrong they will argue their point - frankly till the=
> y find the need to shoot you. So they glom onto defending the right to kill=
> - rather living up to the request not to kill.=20
>
> What people are saying here is the hair spliting about its okay to kill - i=
> f. I am saying - its not okay to kill - period. If you can defend killing s=
> ometimes - then you can defend all the other thou shalt nots also - and fra=
> nkly that erodes the entire moral system. Which is where we are to today. N=
> ot becasue we weren't given good imperitives but because we figure out how =
> to wiggle out of them when they don't fit our needs. Morality begins with e=
> ach of us deciding we are going to follow the good words or make excuses wh=
> en they are hard to live up to. Ghandi, defeated the British - and as far I=
> know - he killed not one person. I am sure God loves Ghandi, even if he wa=
> s something other than Christian. Lets face it everytime the Christians - a=
> rgue about something - there's another version of Christianity born. So to =
> me its not about the beliefs its about whose right. Arrogance and pride sho=
> uld be sins becasue they harm.>
>
> As I have said - I am simple - all the hair splitting gives me a headache b=
> ecasue it just justifies some one breaking the rules becasue they weren't m=
> eant to apply to them or only apply to them. So, its much easier to follow =
> - Love is the Law ..... love doesn't kill, love doesn't cheat, lie or steal=
> . Love doesn't own a big house or drive a fancy car - love is there for eve=
> ryone when they need something - a shirt, a hand a meal, a roof. Love is wh=
> at Jesus represented with the way he lived his life. I doubt he suffered se=
> lf-delusion, hypocrisy and the need to split hairs over his words. The mira=
> cle of Jesus - is that he lived his beliefs, and GOD takes care of those -w=
> e glorify the people who live their beliefs like that - Mother Teresa, etc.=
> And we fight to the last ditch to be right without evelooking at how hypoc=
> ritial we are. The people will defend killing - never see the hypocrisy of=
> it - its okay me, when I think its right but its wrong for you becasue I s=
> ay so.. Think about what you are defending and the endless cycle of death =
> it perpetuates.
>
> Trisha
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ken barber [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:58 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: was brother now Polictics
> >=20
> > --- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > killing is murder - whether you kill one or a
> > > million.
> >=20
> >=20
> > except when you kill a perfectly viable baby and call
> > it a fetus.
> >=20
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