>becouse that is not what the homosexuals want. you
>know it, i know it, and everyone else knows it.
Ken,
Maybe I'm dense, but would you be so kind as to explain "what the
homosexuals want"?
The gay and lesbian couples I know, including my sister and her partner,
and my best friend from grade school and his partner, want to be able to
own property together and not have to go through probate to maintain
ownership of the property if one of them dies, or to incur additional
legal expenses that others don't have to incur to prevent that. They
also want to be able to make health care decisions for their life
partner should one of them be involved in an accident, or should they
have a terminal illness. They want to be able to name their partner as
the beneficiary of their life insurance policy without going through
extraordinary legal measures.
Using phraseology like "what the homosexuals want" sets up another
artificial "us vs. them" dichotomy, much like people in the disability
community have been fighting for years. I find the similarities between
the disability rights movement and the gay rights movements to be
striking; Mike Jefferies has been talking about the difficulties he has
in conducting a relationship, and many of us said we had experienced
similar difficulties, if not to the same degree. So if people with
disabilities don't want to be "Those People," why should we make another
group "those people?"
All the gay and lesbian people I know (and for living in Wyoming, I know
a lot) want to be able to do their jobs and to have "quiet enjoyment" of
their lives without undue interference by the government and in some
cases, their families.
Kendall
An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [C-PALSY] Polygamists may go the way of Al Capone
Exactly. The same rights the disabled community wants ought to be
afforded other minorities as well.
At 05:01 AM 4/23/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Kat,
>
> The really silly thing here is the ignorance of what's actaully =
>happening in real world. Gay couple live together, the acquire
children, =
>have houses, get sick get old and die. Not making the relationship =
>doesn't change reality. Nor make anyone become ungay, it simply robs =
>people of dignity and rights. I support gay marraige have you seen the
=
>length of some of the relationships of the people who want to get =
>married? They have logged some serious years. And it would seem about =
>making a commitment whether or not its a publicly approved thing.=20
>
>The same thing happens with ployamory, which by the way is alive and =
>well and operating in your community. You would be amazed how many =
>people operate under the radar living quietly as they chose. You cannot
=
>legislate how people will live, they will do it their way, regardless.
=
>In the end its not about marriage, or multiple partners its about the =
>threat of someone being different and you ability to force them to be =
>like you.=20
>
>Frankly, with the divorce rate as it is(50% of 1st marriages, 50% of
2nd =
>marriages and 16% of 3rd marraiges) - why aren't people more concerned
=
>with the folks who walk out on the commitments - single mom and kids -
=
>there is group that suffers( and are on welfare!!). The whole marriage
=
>thing needs to be examined - obviously something that worked when
people =
>died like flys is not working now. We need to fine something that does
=
>work.=20
>
> Trisha
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
>Of Kathleen Salkin
>Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 1:23 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Polygamists may go the way of Al Capone
>
>
>OK I think that no matter what happens in the matter of civil unions =
>=3D20
>and legal marriages, a line will be drawn at the age of consent. I =
>=3D20
>honestly think it's no one else's business what a consenting adult
=3D20
>does in his or her private life but a child is another matter.
>
>And yes, I support gay marriages and I think it's high time that we =
>=3D20
>allow a=3D86 least civil unions. I think we are creating a lot of hurt
=
>=3D20=3D
>
>by not supporting gay unions. Ken, it's not just homosexuals who
=3D20
>want gay civil unions but also straight people who think they should =
>=3D20
>be allowed legal rights to properties and assets the same as =3D20
>straight married couples.
>
>Kat
>
>
>On 22 Apr 2006, at 19:29, ken barber wrote:
>
>becouse that is not what the homosexuals want. you
>know it, i know it, and everyone else knows it.
>
>hey, why can't a man have civil unions with 6 women or
>vice versa?
>
>there are those out there who want to "marry" little
>children.
>
>animals have rights says some. there are a few that
>woant to "marry" animals.
>
>hey if a guys loves his horse who am i to forbid the
>"marriage" as long as he does not hurt me. after all
>it is love that matters.
>
>hey, no holds barred. that is what is wanted.
>
>--- Mike Collis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Ken, why can't there be civil unions as well as
> > marriages?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 3:38 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Polygamists may go the way of Al Capone
> >
> > well, you get to forbidding the states to define
> > marriage as one man and one woman and pandora's box
> > is
> > opened IMHO. of course i am not an enlightened
> > liberal, i am just an old bigoted conservative, so
> > what would i know.
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