Ken we have agreed to disagree before and I am not surprised you do 
not agree. I would like to see laws passed making it a crime to 
punish children in this manner. I am against corporal punishment. It 
does not work. It does not further the goals I have for society.  I 
actually threw it out as a trial balloon to see what you guys 
thought. I didn't say ALL, I said most. If I said all I misstate I am 
almost always careful to use qualifying words especially when 
throwing out controversial subjects. I agree with Alice Miller and 
nospank.org if you do not that is fine.

At 01:41 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote:
>i saw different tatics that i have saw before.
>
>1st: all civilize nations have aggreed with your
>position. implication nations and people who do not
>are "uncivilized." intimidation tactic since no one
>wants to be seen as "uncivilized."
>
>2. we bring up spanking or corprell punishment and
>themn we start siting studies on sexual abuse and on
>"brutalizing children.
>  no one would want to support sexually abusing
>children or bruatalizing children. impress some,
>intimidate the rest.
>
>but here comes someone with brass enough to say
>studies on sexual abuse are not relavant to average
>parents spanking a average kid nor a average school
>teacher "applying the board of education to the seat
>of learning" nor studies of brualizing children being
>relavant to the average spanking or paddling.  it
>sorta neutralize the tactics.
>
>how should it be read linda?
>
>
>--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > It does not sound like you read it.
> >
> > At 07:06 PM 11/7/2007, you wrote:
> > >spanking and sexual abuse are not =. spanking and
> > >brutalizing are not =. so your studies quoting is
> > >apples to oranges. sorry it don't sell here.
> > >
> > >--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That was a good school experience and mine was
> > > > similar altho it was
> > > > in  a city and altho my family did not have much
> > > > money most of the
> > > > kids were from well heeled families. I think
> > because
> > > > of my age (62)
> > > > there were no discipline problems either. We
> > were
> > > > taught and we
> > > > learned. To my knowledge no one was ever spanked
> > or
> > > > paddled.
> > > > Studies show paddling is bad for a child's self
> > > > esteem and I agree
> > > > with www.nospank.org  that passing laws against
> > it
> > > > are best. Most
> > > > civilized countries have done so, the US has
> > not. A
> > > > highlight of my
> > > > life was giving an address in NY that Alice
> > Miller
> > > > was supposed to
> > > > give but she could not make it in from
> > Switzerland.
> > > > She is considered
> > > > the worlds foremost child psychologist, one of
> > the
> > > > first to deal with
> > > > children's issues.
> > > > I've worked cases in states where spanking is
> > > > allowed and they killed
> > > > a kid years ago, and covered it up, others were
> > > > brutally beaten.
> > > > Studies also show  that the brain develops
> > > > differently when kids are
> > > > brutalized at home or in school or sexually
> > abused.
> > > > Physical and
> > > > sexual violence towards children often goes hand
> > in
> > > > hand. So if you
> > > > teach corporal punishment is wrong it sets a
> > > > different standard, a
> > > > humane and compassionate one.
> > > > And check out Moses Lake WA if you think rural
> > kids
> > > > live good
> > > > citizenship cause I've worked cases where the
> > murder
> > > > rate (kid on kid
> > > > and adult to kid) in rural areas is off the
> > charts.
> > > > Many murders in
> > > > farm areas are covered up as farm accidents or
> > > > simply accepted by
> > > > authorities as accidents when they are not. We
> > are
> > > > documenting these
> > > > in polygamy for instance. I guarantee you a lot
> > of
> > > > those East
> > > > European and Appalachian kids you went to school
> > > > with were being
> > > > brutalized at home. it is simply a well covered
> > up
> > > > phenomenon.
> > > >
> > > > At 02:52 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote:
> > > > >I would be willing to put MY next paycheck on a
> > bet
> > > > that Linda
> > > > >McCauley's district probably received fewer
> > dollars
> > > > pe
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