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"Cleveland, Kyle E." <[log in to unmask]>
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Bobby, so what this guy is saying is that we CP'ers (and everyone else)
garner our perception of ourselves through our perception of the "physical"
self?  Hmmmm.

What does he have to say about autonomic responses, such as "fight or
flight"?  Can we "reason" our way into controlling these?

-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Kenneth L. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Book Review


i am too dumb to know how to ask questions, but am trying to follow the
exchange you two are having. i appreciate learning from you two.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby G. Greer, Ph. D. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:04 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Book Review


Kyle,

    Thanks for responding, you're the only on to do so. I will feebly
attempt
to elaborate or confuse.

    Our emotions and our primiyive "sense of self" first grow out of somatic
images.
Connecting consequences(emotions) with stimuli originate in body sensations
and reasoning grows from making decisions as the result of emotional
consequences.
The most important point here, as per Damasio is that the older conventional
view of neural development is that the higher cortex evolved from the more
primitive subcortical areas and thos evolved from the brain stem and
medulla,
etc. His contends
that many people conceive of these higher cortical processes(reasoning) are
"divorced" from the lower, primitive structures. When,  in fact, this
circuitry(of these primitive areas) is very much interwoven into cognitive
decision making in the highest cortical functions. And the most fundamental
sense of self lies in the somatic landscape of the body.

Hope that el
In a message dated 9/6/01 5:13:05 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:

<< Bobby, could you flesh out point 3?  I can see the rationale behind the
others, but I'm not sure what he is "getting at" here?  All thought, logic
and emotion are dependant on somatic state?  Can this be over-ridden by
"will"? >>

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