Light long-sleeve shirts and jeans, hat and sunglasses. You can buy a good hand woven hat in the market, as well as the best hammocks in the world. If you go into the field, good boots will be necessary. It may be the rainy season until March, when the burning time begins. Get a mosquito net if you intend to sleep out in your hammock. Watch out for thorns and cone-nosed kissing bugs.
for more info: http://larrycsimpson.googlepages.com/lostcaveofthejaguar
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> 6: 30 am The mornings are cool enough for the wood stove I get a little kindling going and then grind up some dark rich Italian expresso to kick start the compressor to handle the morning work calls .
> .We will have a week of strong sun this week ;mostly in the 70's; the mid night cold snap has the leaves falling russet red and old gold .Smells of the wood burning stove mingle with the expresso;and some "Cone " bread warming in the skillet as I listen to NPR and the chatter of 9yr old peanut as she negotiates with the Mrs what she can and cannot wear to school .
> For those of you who have experience in tribal negotiantions know this is like trading scalps with cannibles ; .I tried my hand at this a couple of times and it left us both in tears so I leave the heavy lifting with the Mrs
> I too am experincing some what of a "what to wear " crisis as I fly out saturday to the Yucatan ;Word has it that it is in the mid 90's everyday but at the world wilderness confrence I don't think they will be wearing white plantation suits Peanut says to wear flip flops and the "Fred Flinstone "costume I have balled up in the closet Needless to say ; Your insights into fashion mybe critical .as the matching madress suit with shorts I have may be dated .
> The confrence by the way is held every three years or so ;and as my sponsor has 77,000 acres of high desert wilderness on the Bolivian border.They have asked me to go talk stone,Malbec , and mules while I set up up the 3 card monte game at poolside/ Py
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> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:00:13 -0500
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> istory is funny ; when it comes to sculpture . Last year I was asked to=
> restore an 8ft life like marble of Jefferson Davis (see war of Northen ag=
> resion ) and move it from a quiet corner of the states museum outside to=
> under the flag ; which by the way has the stars and bars in it . "We have=
> a grant " they said and I am looking at these bean counters with disbeli=
> f as by moving it outside it will be a target for vandals whose neighbor=
> ood is close by .
> ix months later and they are paying overtime for extra security ; as far=
> as the dongus ; I have recieved word that the state will not entertain th=
> idea of putting back said dongus ....no explantion was given ..However=
> if i push the dongus I may as I fear end of getting it where it dosen't=
> belong /Py=20
>
> Or you could rap the Dongus. I would bet there is plenty of
> ngus envy down under. there.. below, and lots of black books that with th=
>
> mes of patrons for the Dongus. Air mail for a flounder. Could you hang=
> a
> ulpture of a donga opposite?
> est,
> eland
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> opics of the day:
> 1. the dongus and the ruin
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> om: Leland Torrence <[log in to unmask]>
> bject: Re: the dongus and the ruin
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> ichael,
> n the case of the Dongus, it will be a replica. If you do not include th=
>
> ngus, it will be a poor replica, or at best incomplete. As Christo alway=
>
> w, you must play the politics when it comes to pubic art (oh, I mean
> blic). Or you could rap the Dongus. I would bet there is plenty of
> ngus envy down under. there.. below, and lots of black books that with th=
>
> mes of patrons for the Dongus. Air mail for a flounder. Could you hang=
> a
> ulpture of a donga opposite?
> est,
> eland
> 20
> rom: The listserv where the buildings do the talking
> ailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
>
> nt: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:06 PM
> : [log in to unmask]
> bject: Re: [BP] the dongus and the ruin
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> ate: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:20:03 EDT
> om: MSGuild@AOL
> the dongus was original to the sculpture ;but not in living memeory and
> t what the public is used to seeing=20
> hat decision should be made regarding its historic replica ?
> similar project I am working on involves a well photogaphed ante bellum
> in deep in the woods along
> he Mississippi river.=20
> e great hosue burned sometime after the war of Northeren aggression ;
> d all that was left standing was 26 (yes virgina ) 26 ....30 ft high
> ucco flutted masonry brick collums=20
> th decorative corinthian heavy iron capitals still on top.
> e ruin is well loved by the all the artists and tourists whocome to paint
> d ooh and ahh over Its subdued colors
> nd its mystical location and their dramatic discovery of it hidden like=
> a
> me capsual =20
> eeing it its as if it just stepped out of the pages of Gone with the
> nd(or is it the wind done gone ?)=20
> e can easily imagine Rhett and Vivian smooching it up over on one of the
> on railings that holds on to the masonry=20
> y a thread much like the Titanics actual chandelier.
> e problem is (like the dongus) much of the patina and color that is so
> ll loved is coming from colors
> hat are deteriationg the masonry .=20
> e white of the brick for instance is from salts ; the deep shadows of
> ay come from a 1960's attempt=20
> stabilisation with a smear of portland slurry to cover the deteriatin=
>
> me (?) stucco bases and flutes.
> he dull reds are from the detoriation of exposed soft bricks and the
> acks and greens are from mosses growing in wet masonry enviroments
> can't in good nature recomend to resore this to keep those colors .
> could go on ; but the fact is the ruin ( as it appears now ) is what
> eryone expects =20
> will have to interpet the color of the decoratve stucco masonry based
> ing from the color of the grey slurry=20
> a antique white based on a fragment that I found that hadn't been
> uched .
> e slurry of 60 's thin portland grey sits over either a lime stucco or=
> a
> tural cememnt stucco
> the lab will tell) The thin slurry in most cases chokes the stucco to pop
> f or blister off as moisture
> ming in from abovbe has no place below to dry out under the slurry=20
> wever in other cases where the mositure is not getting in from above
> e slurry=20
> holding up quite wel.l ...Thoughts of Removing the slurry of course
> ll destroy the village in order to save it=20
> i could just tighten and waterproof whats above and moniter the base for
> provement ;=20
> t since all masonry has to breath I am opposed to this as I have found
> idence of brick deteriation from the choking=20
> d its internal humidity as it holds up the collums
> ike the Dongus I am still dithering back anf forth ; if the dongus goes
> ck i will be tarred and feathered by the Baptists=20
> t the first time mind you ...and if I save and reinterpet the ruin as it
> ce looked=20
> will be tarred and feathered by the locals and tourists (many of whom
> e Baptists)=20
> querry here is how should we look at history when it comes to strucure=
> ?
> th the dongus as the artist intened=20
> without as presumably the state (owner )intends it=20
> th remind me of a historic wall at Mills resevation/?) that was built
> ong ; but that is how people rememberer it so it was put back wrong=20
> will be taking recomendations (if they aren't too graphic ) how I shoul=
>
> proach the dongus and the ruin=20
> sed on past experience of those who have been tarred and feathered /py=
> 20
> /Py =20
> =20
> =20
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> lor:#1F497D'>In the case of the Dongus, it will be a replica. If you do
> t include the Dongus, it will be a poor replica, or at best incomplete.=
> 20
> Christo always new, you must play the politics when it comes to pubic ar=
> =20
> h,
> mean public). Or you could rap the Dongus. I would bet there is
> enty of Dongus envy down under… there.. below, and lots of black bo=
> ks
> at with the names of patrons for the Dongus. Air mail for a
> ounder. Could you hang a sculpture of a donga opposite?<o:p></o:p></span=
> </p>
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> p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahom=
> ","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
> yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> The listserv=
> where
> e buildings do the talking [mailto:[log in to unmask]
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> >On
> half Of </b>[log in to unmask]<br>
> >Sent:</b> Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:06 PM<br>
> >To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
> >Subject:</b> Re: [BP] the dongus and the ruin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'color:black'>Date: Fri, 30=
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> :20:03 EDT<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'color:black'>From: <a
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> 0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'background:white'>=
> tt><span
> yle=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>If the dongus was=
> original=20
> the sculpture ;but not in living memeory and not what the public is used=
> to=20
> eing </span></tt><span
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> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> what decision should be made regarding its historic replica=
> 20
> /span></tt><span
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> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>A similar project I am working on involves a well photogaphed=
> ante=20
> llum ruin deep in the woods along</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> the Mississippi river. </span></tt><span style=3D'font-size:9=
> 0pt;
> lor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style=3D'background:white'><tt><s=
> an
> yle=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The great hosue bur=
> ed=20
> metime after the war of Northeren aggression ;</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>and all that was left standing was 26 (yes virgina ) 26 ....30=
> ft=20
> gh stucco flutted masonry brick collums </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>with decorative corinthian heavy iron capitals still on=20
> p.</span></tt><span
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> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>The ruin is well loved by the all the artists and tourists who=
> ome=20
> paint and ooh and ahh over Its subdued colors</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> and its mystical location and their dramatic discovery of it=
> 20
> dden like a time capsual </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> Seeing it its as if it just stepped out of the pages of Gon=
> =20
> th the Wind(or is it the wind done gone ?) </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>One can easily imagine Rhett and Vivian smooching it up over=
> on=20
> e of the iron railings that holds on to the masonry </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> by a thread much like the Titanics actual chandelier.</span=
> </tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>The problem is (like the dongus) much of the patina and color=
> that=20
> so well loved is coming from colors</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> that are deteriationg the masonry . </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>The white of the brick for instance is from salts ; the deep=
> 20
> adows of gray come from a 1960's attempt </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>at stabilisation with a smear of portland slurry to cover=
> the=20
> teriating lime (?) stucco bases and flutes.</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> The dull reds are from the detoriation of exposed soft bricks=
> and=20
> e blacks and greens are from mosses growing in wet masonry =20
> viroments</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>I can't in good nature recomend to resore this to keep those=
> colors=20
> /span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>I could go on ; but the fact is the ruin ( as it appears now=
> ) is=20
> at everyone expects </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> I will have to interpet the color of the decoratve stucco ma=
> onry=20
> sed going from the color of the grey slurry </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>to a antique white based on a fragment that I found that hadn=
> t=20
> en touched .</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>The slurry of 60 's thin portland grey sits over either a li=
> e=20
> ucco or a natural cememnt stucco</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>( the lab will tell) The thin slurry in most cases chokes the=
> 20
> ucco to pop off or blister off as moisture</span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>coming in from abovbe has no place below to dry out under th=
> =20
> urry </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>However in other cases where the mositure is not getting in=
> from=20
> ove the slurry </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>is holding up quite wel.l ...Thoughts of Removing the slurry=
> of=20
> urse will destroy the village in order to save it </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>r i could just tighten and waterproof whats above and moniter=
> the=20
> se for improvement ; </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>but since all masonry has to breath I am opposed to this as=
> I have=20
> und evidence of brick deteriation from the choking </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>and its internal humidity as it holds up the collums</span></=
> t><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> Like the Dongus I am still dithering back anf forth ; if the=
> 20
> ngus goes back i will be tarred and feathered by the Baptists=20
> span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>not the first time mind you ...and if I save and reinterpet=
> the=20
> in as it once looked </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> I will be tarred and feathered by the locals and tourists (m=
> ny=20
> whom are Baptists) </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>My querry here is how should we look at history when it comes=
> to=20
> rucure ? With the dongus as the artist intened </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>or without as presumably the state (owner )intends it=20
> span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>Both remind me of a historic wall at Mills resevation/?) that=
> was=20
> ilt wrong ; but that is how people rememberer it so it was put back wrong=
> 20
> span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> I will be taking recomendations (if they aren't too graphic=
> ) how=20
> should approach the dongus and the ruin </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'>based on past experience of those who have been tarred and=20
> athered /py </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
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> lor:black'> </span></tt><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p>=
> /o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
> lor:black'> /Py </span></tt><span
> yle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
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> lor:black'>. </span></tt><span
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> yle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-se=
> if";
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> div>History is funny ; when it comes to sculpture . Last year I was=
> asked to restore an 8ft life like marble of Jefferson Davis (see war of=
> Northen aggresion ) and move it from a quiet corner of the states museum&=
> bsp; outside to under the flag ; which by the way has the stars and bars=
> in it . "We have a grant " they said and I am looking at these bean=
> counters with disbelief as by moving it outside it will be a target=
> for vandals whose neighborhood is close by .</div>
>
> div>Six months later and they are paying overtime for extra security =
> ; as far as the dongus ; I have recieved word that the state will not ent=
> rtain the idea of putting back said dongus ....no explantion was gi=
> en ..However if i push the dongus I may as I fear end of getti=
> g it where it dosen't belong /Py <br>
> /div>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3px"><PRE>=
> TT> Or you could rap the Dongus. I would bet there is plenty of
> ongus envy down under. there.. below, and lots of black books that with=
> the
> ames of patrons for the Dongus. Air mail for a flounder. Could you hang=
> a
> culpture of a donga opposite?
> Best,
> Leland
> </PRE></TT></BLOCKQUOTE><br>
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> 1. the dongus and the ruin
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> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 06:35:43 -0500
> rom: Leland Torrence <<A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ">[log in to unmask]</A>>
> ubject: Re: the dongus and the ruin
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> Michael,
> In the case of the Dongus, it will be a replica. If you do not include th=
>
> ongus, it will be a poor replica, or at best incomplete. As Christo alwa=
> s
> ew, you must play the politics when it comes to pubic art (oh, I mean
> ublic). Or you could rap the Dongus. I would bet there is plenty of
> ongus envy down under. there.. below, and lots of black books that with=
> the
> ames of patrons for the Dongus. Air mail for a flounder. Could you hang=
> a
> culpture of a donga opposite?
> Best,
> Leland
> =20
> From: The listserv where the buildings do the talking
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> ubject: Re: [BP] the dongus and the ruin
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> f the dongus was original to the sculpture ;but not in living memeory and
> ot what the public is used to seeing=20
> what decision should be made regarding its historic replica ?
> similar project I am working on involves a well photogaphed ante bellum
> uin deep in the woods along
> the Mississippi river.=20
> he great hosue burned sometime after the war of Northeren aggression ;
> nd all that was left standing was 26 (yes virgina ) 26 ....30 ft high
> tucco flutted masonry brick collums=20
> ith decorative corinthian heavy iron capitals still on top.
> he ruin is well loved by the all the artists and tourists whocome to pain=
>
> nd ooh and ahh over Its subdued colors
> and its mystical location and their dramatic discovery of it hidden like=
> a
> ime capsual =20
> Seeing it its as if it just stepped out of the pages of Gone with the
> ind(or is it the wind done gone ?)=20
> ne can easily imagine Rhett and Vivian smooching it up over on one of th=
>
> ron railings that holds on to the masonry=20
> by a thread much like the Titanics actual chandelier.
> he problem is (like the dongus) much of the patina and color that is so
> ell loved is coming from colors
> that are deteriationg the masonry .=20
> he white of the brick for instance is from salts ; the deep shadows of
> ray come from a 1960's attempt=20
> t stabilisation with a smear of portland slurry to cover the deteriati=
> g
> ime (?) stucco bases and flutes.
> The dull reds are from the detoriation of exposed soft bricks and the
> lacks and greens are from mosses growing in wet masonry enviroments
> can't in good nature recomend to resore this to keep those colors .
> could go on ; but the fact is the ruin ( as it appears now ) is what
> veryone expects =20
> I will have to interpet the color of the decoratve stucco masonry based
> oing from the color of the grey slurry=20
> o a antique white based on a fragment that I found that hadn't been
> ouched .
> he slurry of 60 's thin portland grey sits over either a lime stucco or=
> a
> atural cememnt stucco
> the lab will tell) The thin slurry in most cases chokes the stucco to po=
>
> ff or blister off as moisture
> oming in from abovbe has no place below to dry out under the slurry=20
> owever in other cases where the mositure is not getting in from above
> he slurry=20
> s holding up quite wel.l ...Thoughts of Removing the slurry of course
> ill destroy the village in order to save it=20
> i could just tighten and waterproof whats above and moniter the base for
> mprovement ;=20
> ut since all masonry has to breath I am opposed to this as I have found
> vidence of brick deteriation from the choking=20
> nd its internal humidity as it holds up the collums
> Like the Dongus I am still dithering back anf forth ; if the dongus goes
> ack i will be tarred and feathered by the Baptists=20
> ot the first time mind you ...and if I save and reinterpet the ruin as=
> it
> nce looked=20
> I will be tarred and feathered by the locals and tourists (many of whom
> re Baptists)=20
> y querry here is how should we look at history when it comes to strucure=
> ?
> ith the dongus as the artist intened=20
> r without as presumably the state (owner )intends it=20
> oth remind me of a historic wall at Mills resevation/?) that was built
> rong ; but that is how people rememberer it so it was put back wrong=20
> I will be taking recomendations (if they aren't too graphic ) how I shou=
> d
> pproach the dongus and the ruin=20
> ased on past experience of those who have been tarred and feathered /py=
> 20
> 20
> /Py =20
> =20
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
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> olor:#1F497D'>Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
> Calibri","sans-serif";
> olor:#1F497D'>In the case of the Dongus, it will be a replica. If you=
> do
> ot include the Dongus, it will be a poor replica, or at best incomplete.=
> 20
> s Christo always new, you must play the politics when it comes to pubic=
> art=20
> oh,
> mean public). Or you could rap the Dongus. I would bet there is
> lenty of Dongus envy down under… there.. below, and lots of bla=
> k books
> hat with the names of patrons for the Dongus. Air mail for a
> lounder. Could you hang a sculpture of a donga opposite?<o:p></=
> :p></span></p>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
> Calibri","sans-serif";
> olor:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
> Calibri","sans-serif";
> olor:#1F497D'>Leland<o:p></o:p></span></p>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
> Calibri","sans-serif";
> olor:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
> <div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
> 0in 0in=20
> in'>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
> -family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> The lists=
> rv where
> he buildings do the talking [<A href=3D"mailto:BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@LISTSE=
> V.ICORS.ORG?">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]=20
> b>On
> ehalf Of </b><A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=
> br>
> b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:06 PM<br>
> b>To:</b> <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]
> .ORG">[log in to unmask]</A><br>
> b>Subject:</b> Re: [BP] the dongus and the ruin<o:p><=
> /o:p></span></p>
> </div>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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> /o:p></span></tt></pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'color:black'>=
> ate: Fri, 30 Oct 2009=20
> 9:20:03 EDT<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><=
> pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'color:black'>=
> rom: <a
> ref=3D"<A href=3D"mailto:MSGuild@AOL%22%3EMSGuild@AOL%3C/a%3E%3C/span%3E%=
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> re style=3D'background:white'><tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>If the dongus=
> was original=20
> o the sculpture ;but not in living memeory and not what the public is use=
> to=20
> eeing </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> what decision should be made regarding its historic repl=
> ca=20
> </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>A similar project I am working on involves a well photogap=
> ed ante=20
> ellum ruin deep in the woods along</span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> the Mississippi river. </span></tt><span=
> style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;
> olor:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre st=
> le=3D'background:white'><tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The great hosue=
> burned=20
> ometime after the war of Northeren aggression ;</span></tt>&l=
> ;span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>and all that was left standing was 26 (yes virgina ) 26 ..=
> .30 ft=20
> igh stucco flutted masonry brick collums </span></tt><sp=
> n
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>with decorative corinthian heavy iron capitals still on=
> 20
> op.</span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>The ruin is well loved by the all the artists and tourists=
> whocome=20
> o paint and ooh and ahh over Its subdued colors</span></tt>=
> <span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> and its mystical location and their dramatic discovery=
> of it=20
> idden like a time capsual </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> Seeing it its as if it just stepped out of the pages of=
> Gone=20
> ith the Wind(or is it the wind done gone ?) </span></tt><s=
> an
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>One can easily imagine Rhett and Vivian smooching it up=
> over on=20
> ne of the iron railings that holds on to the masonry </span></tt=
> <span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> by a thread much like the Titanics actual chandelier.&l=
> ;/span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>The problem is (like the dongus) much of the patina and co=
> or that=20
> s so well loved is coming from colors</span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> that are deteriationg the masonry . </span></tt&=
> t;<span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>The white of the brick for instance is from salts ; the=
> deep=20
> hadows of gray come from a 1960's attempt </span></tt><spa=
>
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>at stabilisation with a smear of portland slurry to cov=
> r the=20
> eteriating lime (?) stucco bases and flutes.</span></tt><=
> span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> The dull reds are from the detoriation of exposed soft br=
> cks and=20
> he blacks and greens are from mosses growing in wet masonry =20
> nviroments</span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>I can't in good nature recomend to resore this to keep tho=
> e colors=20
> </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>I could go on ; but the fact is the ruin ( as it appears=
> now ) is=20
> hat everyone expects </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> I will have to interpet the color of the decoratve stucco=
> masonry=20
> ased going from the color of the grey slurry </span></tt><=
> span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>to a antique white based on a fragment that I found that=
> hadn't=20
> een touched .</span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>The slurry of 60 's thin portland grey sits over either=
> a lime=20
> tucco or a natural cememnt stucco</span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>( the lab will tell) The thin slurry in most cases chokes=
> the=20
> tucco to pop off or blister off as moisture</span></tt><s=
> an
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>coming in from abovbe has no place below to dry out unde=
> the=20
> lurry </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>However in other cases where the mositure is not getting=
> in from=20
> bove the slurry </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>is holding up quite wel.l ...Thoughts of Removing the sl=
> rry of=20
> ourse will destroy the village in order to save it </span></tt&g=
> ;<span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>r i could just tighten and waterproof whats above and moni=
> er the=20
> ase for improvement ; </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>but since all masonry has to breath I am opposed to this=
> as I have=20
> ound evidence of brick deteriation from the choking </span></tt&=
> t;<span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>and its internal humidity as it holds up the collums</=
> pan></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> Like the Dongus I am still dithering back anf forth ; if=
> the=20
> ongus goes back i will be tarred and feathered by the Baptists=20
> /span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>not the first time mind you ...and if I save and reinterp=
> t the=20
> uin as it once looked </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> I will be tarred and feathered by the locals and tourist=
> (many=20
> f whom are Baptists) </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>My querry here is how should we look at history when it co=
> es to=20
> trucure ? With the dongus as the artist intened </span></tt>&=
> t;span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>or without as presumably the state (owner )intends it=20
> /span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>Both remind me of a historic wall at Mills resevation/?)=
> that was=20
> uilt wrong ; but that is how people rememberer it so it was put back wron=
> =20
> /span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> I will be taking recomendations (if they aren't too graph=
> c ) how=20
> should approach the dongus and the ruin </span></tt><sp=
> n
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>based on past experience of those who have been tarred an=
> =20
> eathered /py </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> </span></tt><span style=3D'font-size:9.0pt=
> color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'> /Py </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>. </span></tt><span
> tyle=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span&=
> t;</pre><pre
> tyle=3D'background:white'><tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Tah=
> ma","sans-serif";
> olor:black'>no </span></tt><span style=3D'font-size:9.0=
> t;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre></di=
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> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:30:13 EST
> rom: [log in to unmask]
> ubject: Re: dog gone dongus
> -------------------------------1257265813
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>
> n a message dated 11/3/2009 11:01:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> Six months later and they are paying overtime for extra security ; as far
> s the dongus ; I have recieved word that the state will not entertain the
> dea of putting back said dongus ....no explantion was given ..However if
> push the dongus I may as I fear end of getting it where it dosen't
> elong /Py
>
> You know, all you pro-circumcision guys, answer this. Have you ever,
> ver, ever seen a circumised dongaroonie?
>
> igned, if it was good enough for Michaelangelo's David, it's good
> nough for me
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> DIV>
> DIV>In a message dated 11/3/2009 11:01:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
> BLOCKQUOTE=20
> tyle=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"=
> <FONT=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 siz=
> =3D2>Six=20
> months later and they are paying overtime for extra security ; as=
> far as=20
> the dongus ; I have recieved word that the state will not entertain the=
> idea=20
> of putting back said dongus ....no explantion was given ..However=
> if i=20
> push the dongus I may as I fear end of getting it where it do=
> en't=20
> belong /Py <BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
> DIV></DIV>
> DIV>You know, all you pro-circumcision guys, answer this. Have you=
> 20
> ver, ever, ever seen a circumised dongaroonie? </DIV>
> DIV> </DIV>
> DIV>signed, if it was good enough for Michaelangelo's David,=
> it's=20
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> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:25:34 -0500
> rom: "T. Gale" <[log in to unmask]>
> ubject: Re: dog gone dongus
> I assume you mean on a statue. Pardon my ignorance but is dongus and
> t's variety of spelling an official term related to stone or sculpture?
> If none of the above, then yes, we had to use a communal shower room
> fter junior high gym class.
> Signed, Don't leave me hangin"
> [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/3/2009 11:01:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Six months later and they are paying overtime for extra security ;
> as far as the dongus ; I have recieved word that the state will not
> entertain the idea of putting back said dongus ....no explantion
> was given ..However if i push the dongus I may as I fear end of
> getting it where it dosen't belong /Py
>
> You know, all you pro-circumcision guys, answer this. Have you ever,
> ever, ever seen a circumised dongaroonie?
>
> signed, if it was good enough for Michaelangelo's David, it's good
> enough for me
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> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:20:22 EST
> rom: [log in to unmask]
> ubject: Re: dog gone dongus
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> In a message dated 11/3/2009 11:01:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> "We have a grant " they said
> houldn't they have a Lee instead?
>
> alph
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> DIV>In a message dated 11/3/2009 11:01:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
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> DIV>Shouldn't they have a Lee instead?</DIV>
> DIV> </DIV>
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