Alan,

What a friend.  That's a funny story though.

Phil.
K0NX




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan R. Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Feedline Talk


> Phil, there was a funny story about my friend that gave me the cable and
> connectors.  He had won an auction on the internet of all this brand new
> surplus Andrew cable and connectors.  He didn't know what it really was, 
> so
> when he won the auction, here comes an 18 wheeler full of his Andrew. 
> There
> were 18 pallots of stuff.  Many hundreds of 7/16 DIN connectors, and
> hundreds and hundreds of pre-made jumpers of half inch hardline, all with
> 7/16 DIN connectors on them.  The jumpers range in length from 1 meter to 
> 30
> meters.  There were 3 pallots full of 7/16 DIN connectors.  The only 
> problem
> was that he had no need for 7/16 DIN connectors.  He knew that I was 
> putting
> my station together, and that I was going to use half inch hardline, and
> 7/16 DIN connectors.  He called me up and said that I could have as much 
> as
> I wanted, as he really had no use for the connectors and pre-made jumpers.
> I told him that I would take it all, and he laughed and said, you don't 
> know
> how much I have.  He said, I will fill a pickup truck up with the stuff, 
> and
> a friend will drop it off at your house.  So when the guy showed up, he 
> had
> maybe 75 pre-made jumpers in all of the different lengths, 700 feet of 
> half
> inch hardline, and perhaps 100 connectors.  Frankly, it was way more than 
> I
> needed, but it was free.  It was all absolutely brand new.  I called to
> thank him, and he said that he still had 100 times as much as he sent to 
> me.
> I actually gave some of it away to other friends because I couldn't use 
> all
> of what he sent.
>
>
>
> Alan R. Downing
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: For blind ham radio operators [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Phil Scovell
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:39 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Feedline Talk
>
> Yep, Alan,
>
> I've heard guys with long runs switch to hardline and they, too, could not
> believe the increase in DB signals.  It all ain't cheep; that's for sure. 
> I
>
> talked to a guy on 75 meters one night, years ago, who  got a satellite
> tower free from the junkyard if he'd hall the 190 feet of tower away.  It
> was in perfect shape.  He was running RG17 for like over 300 feet to a 2
> element 80 meter beam.  I thought at the time if hardline still wouldn't
> have been better for that long run even for the low frequency.  Shoot, I'd
> take 700 feet of hardline if somebody gave it to me, too, haha but I'd
> insist on the connecters for free, too, haha.
>
> Phil.
> K0NX
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan R. Downing" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Feedline Talk
>
>
>> Hi Phil, I just didn't want to be told by someone that discussing 
>> hardline
>> is irrelevant because no one needs to use it.  Hardline is also required
>> on
>> long runs.  I was speaking with a friend in Oman on skype yesterday, and
>> he
>> was in the midst of replacing a 400 foot run of RG213 to 7/8 hardline on
>> his
>> 40 meter circuit, and inch and 5/8 on his 20 meter 6 over 6 stack.  I was
>> incredulous that anyone would use RG213 on such a long run.  I heard back
>> from him today, and he couldn't believe how much better he can hear
>> stations
>> now that he isn't experiencing great losses in his 213 runs.
>> I had originally installed half inch Andrew from my shack to the base of
>> my
>> tower because I had been given 700 feet of brand new hardline.  Then, for
>> some reason that I can no longer recall, I decided that I should replace
>> the
>> half inch hardline with 7/8 hardline.  My run is roughly 100 feet from my
>> shack to the bottom of my tower, and that 100 foot length of 7/8, + the
>> 7/16
>> DIN connectors on each end, cost me something like $800, and I couldn't
>> tell
>> any difference.  If the run was for say 900 MHz or higher, there would
>> have
>> been a substantial improvement, but at frequencies below 30 MHz,it
>> wouldn't
>> be detectable except by high precision instrumentation.
>>
>>
>> Alan R. Downing
>> Phoenix, AZ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: For blind ham radio operators 
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Phil Scovell
>> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:48 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Feedline Talk
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> I must be weird but I find feedline discussions as interesting as 
>> antennas
>> and antenna building.
>>
>> Phil.
>> K0NX
>>
>